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Anti-Smoking Agenda: What is the problem?

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posted on May, 24 2009 @ 07:08 AM
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I actually put in a thread on BTS about this horrible bimbo who did something I couldnt believe! Thread


Okay I have had it!

I'm used to people telling me that "oh no! smoking is going to kill you!"
but this just crosses the line.

I'm sitting outside my local mall enjoying a smoke and this blond bimbo walks upto me, scoffs then proceeds to rip my cigarette from my HAND, throw it on the ground then start telling me that IM ENDANGERING HER HEALTH!!!

You know what: screw you lady. If I want to get some extra tar in my lungs it's my decision. Don't you come upto me and remove MY cig from MY HAND and then yell at me about second hand smoke!

You wanna know what I did? I pulled out another smoke, lit it up, blew the smoke in her face and then told her to give me a quarter because smoking is an expensive way to kill myself.




posted on May, 24 2009 @ 07:11 AM
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Well I am an avid smoker. I would smoke in a hospital if I could (what its not like they are gonna get sicker). My rights as a private citizen are currently on the burner when it comes to my almost illegal habit. All I hear is smoking is bad.....you'll get cancer(although no MALE in my family has ever died of or had cancer and we are ALL smokers).....I can't breath.........stop touching me....Everyone wants us to stop and really the ones that are saying STOP are actually fueling our addiction!!! When I heard about free health care for children I was all for it, until I found out how it was being payed for. Now if I am selfish enough to quit smoking, lil Timmy might not get his kidney transplant!!! Am I to have that kind of guilt on my conscience?!?!?!



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 07:14 AM
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The reasonings are quite easy to understand.

Here are just a few in a very long list.........

-Second hand smoke is dangerous and causes health problems for people.
-Second hand smoke exposure cannot be fully eliminated by any ventilation systems.
-Children cannot choose where they go. If someone wants to take them into a smoking establishment the child has no choice in the matter and they will be exposed to smoke.
-There are laws that limit a person's right to carry a firearm for safety purposes. There are laws that limit the speed one can drive for safety purposes. There are laws that ban the use of fireworks in certain states for safety purposes. There are laws that require certain health standards in food for safety and health purposes..............and now there are laws that limit the areas in which a person can smoke for health and safety purposes.


[edit on 24-5-2009 by Bugman82]



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 07:23 AM
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My spouse and I do not smoke...never have. But we both grew up in households where all the adults smoked. Now we can not Stand it. We can not tolerate it for even the slightest amount of time. It is not a decision we made to be holier than thou...it seems to be a physiological and or psychological reaction.

My in-laws smoke like chimneys...all day long. It has severely hurt our relationship. We can not spend anytime with them without feeling sick, irritated and disgusted. So we only see them 2 or three times a year!!! My children have practically no relationship with their grandparents because of the smoke.

I grew up going to a tavern with my grandfather everyday after school, smoking there didn't bother me much. My family would have parties frequently where the adults would smoke and it I remember I did not like it, but the smell seems so much worse now.

Does anyone else out there agree with me that over the years the aroma of the cigarettes has become more and more offensive? I remember time in my childhood where I actually thought it smelled good sometimes, especially when one was just lit. But now it smells like poison to me.

Now I HATE to walk thru the doorways of buildings even where the smokers are out taking their breaks...I hold my breath...and wish there was a law against smoking in the doorway.

I do not want to offend anyone...just wanted to demonstrate the thoughts of the other side.



[edit on 5/24/2009 by Missing Blue Sky]



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 07:27 AM
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Heh. They tried that here in the States. Didn't work well at all, creating the selfsame issues today's drug prohibition is creating (you'd think we would learn!), leading to the repeal of the prohibition.


But they forced it on everyone.
This time there is a different approach, they are making it ANTI SOCIAL, so people stop due to peer pressure.

In the UK they have done it with speeding, 20 years ago many people used to speed and quite often people would drive at 45mph in a 30mph limit if the roads were quiet. Also upto 95mph on the motorway (Freeway) which has a maximum of 70mph.
People who speed now in the UK are seen as child killers, there are lots of TV ads showing speeding motorists running down children.
Most people have slowed down a lot; especially with all the speed cameras. Sorry they are not speed cameras they are road safety cameras.

They are now doing it with drinking, if you drink you are a burden on society and the health service.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 07:32 AM
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People are such hypocrites... How dare you smokers poison me with your vile poison smoke! Now give me another aspartame cola to wash down my msg burger YUM, I just love the feeling of the high fructose corn syrup flowing through my veins!
What is with people, it is like they are not happy unless they have someone or something to hate, we always need our boogey man. My prediction is that marijuana will become legal at just around the same that cigarettes are finally banned, showing that we learned nothing at all and allowing all the big tobacco growers to switch over and keep there $$$.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 07:47 AM
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Yes, you are correct, and to carry the torch a little further... There are countless anti-smokers who have no problem with bumming a cigarette when they drink, and most of them drive the exhaust spewing cars you speak of. Lets not forget the anti-smokers who all seem to think that it's fine to smoke pot or even light up a cigar when it seems fashionable.

When my mother was pregnant she took Valium like it was candy and had no problem washing it down with a drink, God only know what else she did but I suspect it would have been considered high risk, yet somehow I managed to be born without flippers and a tail - not that there's anything wrong with that.

We never wore helmets if we wanted to ride a bike and seatbelts were something in a car that nobody really used until people who couldn't mind their own business made it a law that we had to use them. It's a miracle we survived looking back but somehow we all did with no greater incidence of trauma or mental retardation than what we have today. In fact, there was actually less incidence of many things not good, Autism being one of them, and we damn sure didn't have half the kids in school on some form of prescription drug because they were ADHD.

Food allergies were virtually nonexistent, no special seating for the kid who couldn't eat peanuts, sports were played to defeat the other team, and if you failed on a test it was because you didn't study hard enough. Self esteem was a reward for personal accomplishment not a prerequisite, and if your feelings got hurt you had to learn to toughen up... OK - I'm totally ranting, but it's all the same thing, the wussification of America by a hand full of grimy little bastards who cant mind their own business, dead bent on getting even with everyone else because they never got picked for kickball and nobody asked them to the Prom... Janeane Garofalo comes to mind.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by Missing Blue Sky


Does anyone else out there agree with me that over the years the aroma of the cigarettes has become more and more offensive? I remember time in my childhood where I actually thought it smelled good sometimes, especially when one was just lit. But now it smells like poison to me.




[edit on 5/24/2009 by Missing Blue Sky]


by what I've read, when the epa decided that it was too dangerous to throw all those byproducts from the petro industry into our environment, well, the industry got creative and came up with alot of used for them. so instead of them disposing of them safely, they are now throwing them into everything....claiming that is is safe. the cigarettes of years gone by didn't have nearly as much crap in them as they do today, just like the perfumes didn't, your clothing, air fresheners, cleaning solutions, laundry detergents, ect. ect. ect.

but the point I am trying to make is that the crap in the cigarettes that are making them so dangerous, is being thrown at you in many, many other ways also. instead of jumping on the anti-smoking bandwagon and demonizing the smokers, seems to me it would be better to demand that the companies go back to producing safe products for us, cigarettes included! we don't need all these chemicals in our food, in everything around us!! that's where the problem is...it's not just the cigarettes!



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 08:19 AM
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I worked in an historical garden at a museum as a volunteer and we grew tobacco. It was a great looking plant and smelled absolutely delicious. I can imagine, taking that plant out and drying it and roasting it and it would smell great. But modern cigarettes smell awful. If they were just plain tobacco the way they used to be...they would be less addictive, and smell better.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 09:21 AM
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I don't smoke but you know what? I love that fresh smokey smell you get when you walk into a good pub. Now all you can smell is urine from the toilets, lovely huh. Not in all places of course but you get the point.

As far as i'm concerned if i enter a pub i accept people will be smoking, if i don't like it i can find a pub with a non smoking section. These stupid anti smoking laws need to be stopped. I mean ok i can understand not being allowed to smoke in schools (unless there is a smoking room), supermarkets, any business that wants to ban it etc. On the streets and in the parks though? Get lost with that.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 09:31 AM
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Thanks to all who have joined this thread. I am glad to see some non-smokers that are not in the camp with the Anti-Smokers.

Some of you understand the issues that this creates, including a stripping of rights as well as creating one more divide amongst us.

You see the hypocrisy of ranting about a whiff of smoke, while ignoring the far more lethal stuff that one breathes nearly 24/7.

Any more out there who want to chime in?



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by Bugman82
The reasonings are quite easy to understand.


Sure, we all know these reasons... But really, this thread is more about the absolute rabidity of the Anti-Smokers against the backdrop of vehicle exhaust.

It is extremely unlikely that passing a smoker on the street a few times a year and smelling the smoke, or even a daily whiff, will do anything, while the likelihood of the daily inhalation of exhaust to create issues is very high.

Yet no movement to deal with this - or even perform tests widely reported - has arisen.

This fact leads me to suspect that it is NOT the health issues that are the driving force behind the Anti-Smoking Agenda, but rather the "justification" (and precedence) to rob freedom, and divide us.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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Ya know...here is a thought for the force-you-to-my-whim anti-smoking lobby...leave us alone and let us die.

Save yourselves millions of dollars in advertising, stress-reducing drugs for your anger etc. Banish us to a small, unsheltered section of the cold outdoors so you can't even see us. Tax us for smoking and use the income to support your uninsured children. And let us die. Then you will be rid of us for good and can celebrate in a giant, smoke-free party, dancing on top of our tar-ridden graves.

Survival of the fittest! Then do the same with consumers of high-fat foods, those who drive gas powered, polluting vehicles. Heck...lets get rid of everyone who drinks booze, smokes pot, and everything else you don't do or wish to allow others to do.

In fact...why don't you buy our cigarettes for us to keep the ball rolling? Make it easier for us to smoke more. I'll sign up for that!

And then when every vice is gone, and you are breathing a sigh of clean-air relief, don't be too shocked when you become the target of the next campaign for drinking coffee, or not taking the "correct drug" for whatever condition you may have, or not praying to the "correct god". Get rid of the dangerous guns, kill of the dangerous dogs, wipe out all pets...those allergies are killing you..., body odor is pretty bad to.

Then finally...when the one, sole remaining human is sitting at home, happy that all the "bad" people are gone...crunching his broccoli, drinking his $8 a bottle pure water...(probably still browsing porn though)...he can revel in the humanity he has created and await God's praise of "Good job" to thunder from the heavens. Or was that someone else's voice?



Sorry...I just woke up and haven't had my first smoke yet.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by lightchild
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Heh. They tried that here in the States. Didn't work well at all, creating the selfsame issues today's drug prohibition is creating (you'd think we would learn!), leading to the repeal of the prohibition.


But they forced it on everyone.
This time there is a different approach, they are making it ANTI SOCIAL, so people stop due to peer pressure.


Agreed, for the time being. But there are still laws, both on the books and in the making, to outlaw smoking - outside and inside. So, in a sense, it is being forced on everyone.

Besides, my quote above was merely in response to the idea that they may go after drinking - which, as you point out, they have in the anti-social way already. Just not so rabidly as with tobacco.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 10:25 AM
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Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I am not a scientific/legal or medical expert in any field. Beware of my Contagious Memes! & watch out that you don't get cut on my Occams razor.All of this is my personal conjecture and should not be considered the absolute or most definitive state of things as they really are. Use this information at your own risk! I accept no liability if your ideology comes crashing down around you with accompanying consequences!

UPFRONT Personal Disclosure: I am a smoker.

Explanation: Starred and Flagged! Well Done OP!


Basically I perceive that it comes down to people choosing to focus on others rather than themselves due to a holier than thou self perception which they then act upon. Smokers included! Its all about imposition and I suggest that we all just don't impose on each other any more than co-existence already forces us to.

Personal Disclosure: All you immortal immorbid invulnerable human beings [both body AND soul!!!] out there please raise your right hand.....Now let me see now hmmmm? Nope not one hand among 6+billion possible candidates. Well now! WTF! does that say about the true morality of anyones condescending self righteousness when it comes to applying ones own "whats good for me MUST be good for you/whats bad for me MUST be bad for you/visa versa" syndrome. Consensus Reality is a total sham and con game UNLESS you agree with it and keep your head down and just play along regardless!
Meanwhile I'll keep trying to not impose my filthy smoking habits on anybody and everybody as long as they keep trying not to impose their filthy cognitive dissonance upon me!

Edited to SPIN "cognitive dissonance" with "filthy"! And if you don't like it then "I blows smoke in your face"!


[edit on 24-5-2009 by OmegaLogos]



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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Brilliantly put.

As a smoker I try to ensure that my habit is not an issue with others. But by the same measure, I don't want others making their views an issue with me.

And meanwhile, we (as a friend of mine puts it) "suck Satan farts" day in and day out. Rouse over THAT issue and leave us alone in our pariah-hood.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 10:52 AM
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Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I am not a scientific/legal or medical expert in any field. Beware of my Contagious Memes! & watch out that you don't get cut on my Occams razor.All of this is my personal conjecture and should not be considered the absolute or most definitive state of things as they really are. Use this information at your own risk! I accept no liability if your ideology comes crashing down around you with accompanying consequences!

Explanation: Thanks for the Kudo's!

Personal Disclosure: Hmmm? That hazy smoke cloud of pariahdom sure keeps me feeling snug and warm on the inside when I'm DAMN SMOKING [some would say choking but fortunately I can't hear them when the do that....choke on my smoke that is
] HOT out there SMOKING IT UP in pariahland!



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu
It is extremely unlikely that passing a smoker on the street a few times a year and smelling the smoke, or even a daily whiff, will do anything, while the likelihood of the daily inhalation of exhaust to create issues is very high.

Yet no movement to deal with this - or even perform tests widely reported - has arisen.



You know i seem to remember reading a study that mentioned how living next to a well used road increased the likelihood of asthma in children. Yet as you say we don't see groups stopping that.

It's true that if you walk up and down roads very often, breathing in nice lung fulls of car exhaust that you are suffering some damage. Whereas you may only be exposed to smoke a few times a year if you avoid bars that allow smoking.

Come on people, look around you for heavens sake. Everywhere we see some very nasty chemicals, carcinogens and other nonsense and yet we go after smokers who don't constantly puff the stuff in your face. I mean if you walk past someone at the park and a bit of smoke drifts your way, you are NOT about to develop a large tumour in your lungs.

Hey maybe that bit of smoke will produce a free radical that kills that part of your brain that is such a kill joy. That part that says everyone must do as you say but never infringe upon your own rights.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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i used to think about this when they frist went after smokers real hard.
i was listening to Aelex Jones talking about chem trails in Florida. he was talking about people getting sick and most of them wernt smokers, i'm wondering if there is something about tabaco that counter act some of the chems used in the spray.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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Forgive me but no, it's nonsense. Smoking is bad for you full stop. The people that smoke and last until they're 90 are just lucky, either by chance or genetics. However arguments can easily be made that they would be healthier if they didn't smoke.

As for the chem trails thing? Oh now come on, smoking protects you from something that may or may not exist. Really are stretching things now.



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