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Governor plans to completely eliminate welfare for families

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posted on May, 23 2009 @ 10:37 PM
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There's two cents, take it for what it's worth. and here is some additional change because i'm not sure for how many lines a Youtube video counts toward the minimum.




posted on May, 23 2009 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by ldyserenity

Originally posted by Jessicamsa
Many on welfare are single mothers. Single mothers are often barred by the courts from moving so many miles from the non-custodial parent, whether he actually participates in the kid(s)'s lives or not or whether he pays child support or not. The government is forcing many of these mothers to live in an area where they cannot find jobs to support themselves, imprisoning them within their environments.

I know because I lived like that for three years. It's one of the ultimate oppressions you can do to a family.

I've never ever heard of this at all. My hubby pays for two other kids by a welfare leech of a woman. She moved away to Florida, thankfully she moved back before we moved here,,,ugh and had everything transferred down here. And HE Was involved with their lives. I don't know what state you live in, but that was NJ. And now that his children are adults, she had another baby to keep leaching off of NJ. Even though she is able bodied if not a little slow, but she can do minial jobs.


It happens a lot more often than that. I was shoplifting and such before I finally went onto welfare, because I thought welfare was so beneath me. In the area where I was trapped, the businesses would not hire me. It was a small community, and people knew my husband. He worked for the government too, so he knew the ins and outs of the system. All I knew was the little bit I was taught in public school, which turned out to be lies. I was always a hard worker. I even had a 100 average in algebra my entire freshman year of high school. It didn't matter as far as jobs were concerned. Finally, I got to the point where I figured since the government was forcing me to stay in an area with no jobs, the government could pay to take care of me. Then I went on welfare. I had previously even found a job out of the area and the courts refused to let me live outside where my husband lived and made me give up the job. In order for me to move, I'd have to give up my baby to my husband. My husband is a very violent man who was even going to set fire to me at one point. I was terrified that he was going to kill me and my daughter.

A lot of the women who are forced into these situations by the courts have abusive former partners. The abusers want to maintain control over their victims by any means possible, and often that includes using the court and legal system against them.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 12:02 AM
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The only time I can call Ahhnold a great actor was when he is the govanator.

He acts great like a governor. Too bad he fails to see the long term effects.

On the whole though, he has no say in what is going down and is doing what he is familiar doing.......Playing a role.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 12:06 AM
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dont worrie about the Mexicans here in calif at one time they use to drive # cars now you see all of them drivieng new bmw and suv top dollar cars and they own more than half of the bussiness were i live were once use to be all white in calif look around and see who is working amd who is not its the mexicans they are it really makes me mad were this country is going and were my state is going but history told us this would happen we are to stupid to learn from are past



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 12:52 AM
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All I have to say is good for California!!!! I'm applauding their decision and hope all US states and the Federal Govt do the same thing. Its a drain on our tax dollars and keeps taxes higher then they should be. I don't think any riots will come of this. However when people start to leave California and come to states that still give out checks for doing nothing all day please don't come to the DC Metro area. There are way too many people in this area already and really most won't say it, but we really don't want/need you here. May I suggest the Midwest where they need population. I might also suggest if they are not from the USA and from south of the border (not the one in South Carolina) but Mexico and farther South to head back to where you came from. We have enough to do all the needed work here already and don't want any more gang members to come out East.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 01:07 AM
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This has been brought about by globalist permission to keep open borders
in order to destroy the American economy, state by state. Arnold is a Kennedy who supports Obama, who is then controlled by Bryzinsky(sp?)/Trilateralists. Don't dismiss the power of Pelosi here either.

The last Bilderberger meeting was supposedly the final solution for the dollar so expect to see much more of this.

Survivalblog.com and Stevequayle.com are excellent sources for what is to come.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 01:49 AM
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Originally posted by Oldtimer2
I think this will just set presidense,till we become a socialist country,the government will own everything,so if you work you'll be taxed to the hilt,and welfare recipiants will end up with same amount,this will be the new norm,like in communist country,as far as Arnold goes,he is doing the job he was hired to do,hard to run a buisness in the red,Obama should take some lessons from him,Calif is no different then any other states just it had more going for it,so get ready where ever you live,this is the feces hitting the recirculating blade


You are so right! If socialism is their objective, and it seems to be then what better way to start the ball rolling. I just can not believe he could actualy do something like this. I believe in the welfare reform and it worked great, getiing people back on their feet and back to work but now there is no work people that have never needed assistance are getting it now. The jobs that are left, well it is sad to say but one can draw more than they could make. This is sad, sad, sad. We are headed for one he11 of a ride. Buckle up folks it ain't gonna be pretty.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by 31337
All I have to say is good for California!!!! I'm applauding their decision and hope all US states and the Federal Govt do the same thing. Its a drain on our tax dollars and keeps taxes higher then they should be. I don't think any riots will come of this. However when people start to leave California and come to states that still give out checks for doing nothing all day please don't come to the DC Metro area. There are way too many people in this area already and really most won't say it, but we really don't want/need you here. May I suggest the Midwest where they need population. I might also suggest if they are not from the USA and from south of the border (not the one in South Carolina) but Mexico and farther South to head back to where you came from. We have enough to do all the needed work here already and don't want any more gang members to come out East.


Wow a little harsh don't you think. I am speechless. Yes the imigrants are draining our resources but American;s who had jobs and worked all their lives do not like getiing a check for doing nothing all day. Trust me we want to work and personlay I still work hard putting out a garden and such to find some means to keep busy, productive and feed the family. Many people do abuse the system but come on slapping the lazy stigma on everyone is just wrong. If we cannot find work then what are we supposed to do? If My husband and I have worked very hard over the last twenty years and never dreamed of being laid off and unable to find work. THis is not fun. If you are fortunate enough to have a job then lucky you but what are you going to do when you loose yours? Will you not sign up for what you have to. I have never in my life need assistance but I cannot let my family go without could you? Maybe you do not have a family I do not know but look outside the box things are changing and not everyone likes it or wants it.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 02:46 AM
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You know, I have NEVER seen a person or "family" that deserves welfare support. I live in a certain part of Virginia and here are my examples:

1. A woman who has two children from two different fathers, lives with her parents. She still collects welfare checks and spends it on new clothes and she also bought a new van. She does not work, and solely lives off of her parents and the welfare money. My mom works at a elementary school and this lady's children attend there, so she knows their situation.

2. When I graduated high school last year, one person graduated from the grade below early. His family DID NOT work, and they received welfare checks. He and his family lived in a inherited house that has been in their family for years. His father did not work, and neither did his mother. They live off of welfare. He got free lunch all the time and was a part of that "no child left behind" bullsh**.

What is the point? I understand that 3 out of 4 homeless people are veterans, and we should help them! But people don't even want to work. They just want to be lazy, and solely depend on the government for their needs. In my town, there is a building located in the downtown area that allows homeless people to stay there overnight. They get fed dinner at night, sleep, then get breakfast in the morning but have to leave during the day to find jobs. It is RARELY used because the homeless in the area are too damn lazy to go out and try and get jobs. This place even has assigned job programs (because I know not every employer wants to higher homeless people).

It makes me so mad because the people that REALLY suffer in this country are the middle class. The poor are fine because they get to live off of welfare, and the rich are fine because they've got money. But, the middle class suffers because they're constantly in debt and cannot even get a little help. I think Gov. Arnold's plan will hopefully make some of these people actually get up and work.


edit: I am in no way a socialist or a fan of socialism. I have just never seen anything good come from welfare. My opinion doesn't include Unemployment because people actually need that.

[edit on 24-5-2009 by AllinTheMind89]



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 03:04 AM
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Arnold has been sent by skynet to infiltrate our government and destroy California's government sending the state into chaos, which will spread into a domino effects and allow skynet to take over.

Anyway, back to reality. If only Arnold was in FEDERAL government, then I would be happy. I don't know if its the best idea to be cutting state side. After all, it is the place of the states to be providing such assistance more so than the federal government.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 03:20 AM
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punishment,punishment,punishment. you californians didn't vote the way they wanted you to.... now suffer.

i missed the part of the article where the government of cali gives up their pay to ease the burden.
after all,they did it.

they're NOT PITCHING IN!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
i cant believe it! they're always so helpful!



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 04:08 AM
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The people who have this self-entitlement attitude toward welfare are going to get a taste of what my life was was in California. It's called WORKING and EARNING PAYCHECKS, that you actually have to get up every day and go work for.

The only people I feel sorry for are the homeless and the children who will do without. Or those who were put out of a home and work. But my pity will not go for the welfare mama or daddy who sits around all day long playing video games etc.

If they think they are going to up and move to another state just to get welfare, good luck coming to my state. They don't just hand it out to anyone. And if they do, they got a plan for you. It's called "finding a job" before our olive branch breaks on ya.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 04:12 AM
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What an odd case of circumstances...
What a bastard...Even with all these problems in the economy..
He is only asking for trouble.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 04:40 AM
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I wish every state would rid themselves of welfare. It has done little good, but a lot of bad. It broke up a large portion of the black community by encouraging fathers to leave their wives, and to leave them with the kids. It steals money from the tax paying populace, and then goes towards mostly deadbeats and the military industrial complex. Since when does the government have to be your nanny, anyway? That money would be handled better if we gave it to local charities, who would actually help people in need. Although I do see the trouble in just one state doing this, because then no one will want to live there and some violence will occur.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 05:08 AM
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In a combination public assistance office/ child support recovery location here, my husband and I spent many mornings there as we tried to establish that he was not the same person named the father on a particular child support case ( my husband has a very very common name and the state mistakenly charged his IRS account with a huge child support bill, the child was not his, he did not know the mother, it was a case of mistaken identity) we would notice a pattern. A car pulls up, woman and man together and usually 2 or more small children. The woman goes in, takes the kids, deals with appointments, sign ups, ect, and the men never go in. The cars that they typically come in are fairly new, nice cars. Their clothing and shoes look nice. I asked one woman once if she would be offended if I asked her about her car, she was driving a mercedez benz, and she proudly exclaimed that she didn't have but 22 dollars a month rent to pay for her 4 bedroom apt, the only utility she paid was electric, water and heat are provided by the state, she has no medical bills, her and her children are on medicaid, and her food is paid for by the state, she exclaimed that she recieved nearly 500 a month in food stamps, and she gets a check for her kids each month. She said she was able to buy the car with that, because she essentially had no bills or anything else to spend it on ( what about college?), and yes, her supposedly 'absent' baby daddy was the guy who is driving her around in her mercedez. I think most likely all the other men waiting in the parking lot are most likely other 'absent parents'.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 06:31 AM
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Perhaps some of the legal residences(SP?) who will have there benefits cut off may form vigilant groups who go after the politicians and illegal aliens who all helped to create this situation . Now I don't endorse vigilantism but if New Zealand was ever ruined economically to the same degree I would not be happy to say the least . This whole mess would have been avoided if welfare hadn't been extended to illegal aliens and if there had been a crack down on the same group of people .



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 09:25 AM
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You are stereotyping and how do you really know a persons situation?? You dont plain and simple. I grew up with the help of the welfare system. My mom was a single parent with three kids and NO help from my dad whatsoever or anyone else really. My mother worked 2 jobs AND put herself through school. If it wasnt for the assistance my mom received we would have been homeless and starving. My mom did her best but sometimes a little assistance is good and it helped her and us. When she no longer needed it she got off of it. There was no abusing the system in any way. I firmly believe some people do deserve some assistance and that too many others do abuse it. You really have no idea until you are in a situation where it would help YOU.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 09:26 AM
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Welfare and all these programs need to be overhauled. There is far too much fraud going on with these programs.

I for one would love to see a felony clause in these programs. If you are convicted of a felony while on these assistance programs you are cut off instantly and permanently from all assistance. Why should the tax payers pay someone to commit crime?

I understand that there will always be a need for such assistance programs and thank god there is help for people out there that for some reason cannot help themselves. But there needs to be a way out of this cycle of poverty and reliance on the government to prop people up.

Again, American's should have the right to fail. I can understand there being times in peoples lives that help is needed. But it should not be a permanent solution.

The same with disability. I see this far too often. People that are on some sort of disability working under the table to supplement their income. This is ridiculous! If you are able to work you are not disabled. I think that people that are found to be working while collecting disability should have to pay all the money they received from SSI back.

And again a Felony clause. If you are on disability and are convicted of a felony you should be cut off from disability. Obviously if you are able to commit a crime you are not disabled.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 09:55 AM
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In reality, the authorities hoard and establish monopoly on all things that are realistically needed for people to live decently, and there is a big surplus of those things. Just think of how big modern times' productivity is, and how much food is being destroyed every year just to maintain prices (in order to maintain the illusion that one must work 40 + hours a week). Yes, that's the game, the "idea" I'm talking about. This is the same idea now as it was 100 years ago, like nothing changed in the ways of productivity. No way! this idea has been made a constant while it really is a variable.


Excellent post, you nailed it on the head. This isn't an economic downturn created by a lack of goods and services, it is an economic downturn created by corruption in our banking and investment institutions designed specifically to squeeze the middle class.

While we are more productive than ever, with both the men and women working and producing more than ever, as a society we are slipping into debt when we should be growing in wealth.

Wake up sheoples.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 10:09 AM
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I have known people on welfare, and none live the life that you describe, or anything close to it. I see people cashing welfare checks, and they don't drive nice cars, and they aren't dressed nicely.

However, there are plenty of women collecting child support checks living with men who make decent money, and subsidize their lives cheating some guy out of his paycheck because she claimed he was the father. Chances are, that is what you have been seeing. There is a huge scam going on, where a woman claims that a man is the father to her child, and unless the guy shows up at court with proof that he is not the father, the courts will seize a large chunk of his paycheck to support a child that may not be his own, or that he may never have known to exist, which the possible father will never be allowed to see or raise.

If the state of CA needs to save some money, they can start to lay off a large number of the bureaucrats who create messes like family services whose only jobs are to steal from honest hard working people.

They could also legalize cannabis, create a new industries by doing so, collect large amounts of tax money, while saving the state huge amounts of money wasted in going after harmless potheads.

Eliminate the war on drugs and thereby eliminate the money that brings in the criminal element creates far more crime than it prevents, tax drug use, and save billions fighting the crime that would be eliminated.

In other words, time to end the police state.



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