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reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 05:25 PM by Astarfaraway
Maybe California needs to study North Dakota's government fiscal policy.

Projected North Dakota budget SURPLUS soars over 1.2 billion

They're talking about lowering property taxes in ND.

ND, I love this state, though it has harsh winter weather with lots of wind, and has sort of flat terrain...but the people here are great!


reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 05:28 PM by marg6043
reply to post by Astarfaraway


Well you have to remember that the population and size of the state of California are not the same.

Also the immigration and illegals problem are not the same either.



[edit on 23-5-2009 by marg6043]



reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 05:33 PM by marg6043
reply to post by mikerussellus


Perhaps California will be the state where Obama will test his socialized health care.

Then the exodus will be from other states to California.

I think I like that very much



[edit on 23-5-2009 by marg6043]


reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 05:38 PM by mikerussellus
reply to post by marg6043



That sounds like a fantastic idea, all Obama-ites can immigrate to California (Barakistan) and leave the rest of us the hell alone!



reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 05:38 PM by abecedarian
Though I believe it is unfortunate for otherwise deserving people to be denied benefits us citizens of the state all are paying for, if California would enforce existing laws, and would stop using taxpayer money to aid the health care of every illegal imigrant and 'anchor baby'... um, sorry "undocumented worker and their children"... we would nearly eliminate our state's debt.

One stroke of a pen and the debt is mostly gone. Multi-billion dollars of debt could be recouped immediately if benefits were not given to the state's illegal... oops, there I go again... "undocumented" workers and their families.

Know what? I'll be nice and let the "undocumented" children born here receive 200 a month from the state for formula / food (I've had kids and I know it doesn't cost any more than that- heck I don't eat 200 a month in food) until they reach the age where they can attend school, then mama and papi can drop 5 dollars a day for each kid to feed them at school. I'd gladly give one hours' wage a day to feed my kid(s) so why can't they?

When I, being currently unemployed, have to pay for health care for myself, my family and my children... when considering I was born in the state of California... so should any and every other person living here.
Why should I be penalized because I am, more often than not, a contributor to society? I pay taxes on what I earn, when I am working, and then again when I spend the money I've earned, yet I cannot get free "anything".


reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 05:42 PM by Astarfaraway
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Astarfaraway


Well you have to remember that the population and size of the state of California are not the same.

Also the immigration and illegals problem are not the same either.



[edit on 23-5-2009 by marg6043]


Yes, I suppose those are important variables in this equation.

But I still think it would be wise for California, and any other U.S. state to take a look at ND's fiscal policy...I think, though don't quote me, that ND was one of 3 states that DIDN'T have a budget shortfall of late, this year I believe. Heck, the present administration in D.C. should be looking at ND and these other states...something is going right here in ND, you know? But why?


reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 05:44 PM by Psynarchist
reply to post by yellowcard


I can't believe how many reactions go like this: "Great, these lazy bastards on welfare now finally... etc..."

This country has been snatched up, flipped upside down, and shaken for our final pennies by a couple globalist capitalist monster corporations and parasitical financial institutions.
Many people are born in welfare, in broken homes, violent streets full of drugs....

...and instead of criticizing the white collar crooks who write the laws that allow them to screw us with our pants on, some here blame the poor folks. Very shortsighted in my opinion.


reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 05:45 PM by mikerussellus
Originally posted by abecedarian
Though I believe it is unfortunate for otherwise deserving people to be denied benefits us citizens of the state all are paying for, if California would enforce existing laws, and would stop using taxpayer money to aid the health care of every illegal imigrant and 'anchor baby'... um, sorry "undocumented worker and their children"... we would nearly eliminate our state's debt.

One stroke of a pen and the debt is mostly gone. Multi-billion dollars of debt could be recouped immediately if benefits were not given to the state's illegal... oops, there I go again... "undocumented" workers and their families.

Know what? I'll be nice and let the "undocumented" children born here receive 200 a month from the state for formula / food (I've had kids and I know it doesn't cost any more than that- heck I don't eat 200 a month in food) until they reach the age where they can attend school, then mama and papi can drop 5 dollars a day for each kid to feed them at school. I'd gladly give one hours' wage a day to feed my kid(s) so why can't they?

When I, being currently unemployed, have to pay for health care for myself, my family and my children... when considering I was born in the state of California... so should any and every other person living here.
Why should I be penalized because I am, more often than not, a contributor to society? I pay taxes on what I earn, when I am working, and then again when I spend the money I've earned, yet I cannot get free "anything".


Never gonna happen my friend. Like I said above, in order to do what you suggest (which would be wise, but there ya' go) they (the gubment) would have to admit that they were wrong. They would have to admit that social engineering was a mistake.
Not gonna happen.


reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 05:49 PM by marg6043
reply to post by abecedarian


My friend I am not as "nice" as you are, call the anchor brats for what they are, illegal children from illegal parents, sucking the system and the legal tax payer dry.

I am with you, it is something that angers me the most is that all our life my husband and me, we never qualified for any help, social program or low income anything, we raised our children and pay full prices for everthing, pay our taxes and somebody else that have no rights to it, get to reap full benefits of our hard working years of efforts.

This would be enough if only was to help American citizens only, but when you add the millions of illegals popping brats every year in the US to have free benefits for those children this is only killing this nations economy and us the tax payer.

And not I am not going to apologized for anything I said, because after all I am an American that happen to be also a Latina



[edit on 23-5-2009 by marg6043]


reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 05:51 PM by mikerussellus
Originally posted by Psynarchist
reply to post by yellowcard


I can't believe how many reactions go like this: "Great, these lazy bastards on welfare now finally... etc..."

This country has been snatched up, flipped upside down, and shaken for our final pennies by a couple globalist capitalist monster corporations and parasitical financial institutions.
Many people are born in welfare, in broken homes, violent streets full of drugs....

...and instead of criticizing the white collar crooks who write the laws that allow them to screw us with our pants on, some here blame the poor folks. Very shortsighted in my opinion.



Sad part is that even though they are at fault, it will only be the poor that hit the streets, they will be the faces plastered over the airwaves while the NWO clans giggle into their Chateau Marmot and plan the next state they want to destroy.


reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 05:55 PM by marg6043
reply to post by Astarfaraway


I am not familiar with the state laws of ND but that could be some reason why is not much problems in the state or perhaps the state is doing great with minimum Federal aid and when you have states that are dependent on federal assistant they are actually states that fall on the category of welfare states.

Usually immigration problems are higher in welfare states.



reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 05:56 PM by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by Slazer
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I mean damn, what in the hell did people do BEFORE welfare was ever created?? I'm sure they found a way somehow.


There are many restrictions put in by the government. People used to be able to try to find their own fortune, at their own pace, but now even that is being taken away.

Many jobs people were able to do before are very restricted, or not allowed anymore.

I used to do some prospecting over a year ago as a hobby, and found some gold, and got quite a collection of old coins also, and just by doing this as a hobby, but I also did a lot of research before i went prospecting on some of my free time.

Yes, there is gold to be found still, as well as diamonds and other precious minerals which in the past people who tried to make a living were able to get more freely such resources. Now there are more limitations, and people have been put in jail for taking natural resources.

If you find something good, something worth a lot of money, by law you are supposed to turn it in to the police, and after a period of time if noone claims it, it is yours, but then you have to pay the government if your find is very profitable, and at the end leaves you with pennies meanwhile the government gets a percentage of your find, in the way of different fees.

if you find loot that was robbed decades, or over a century ago, of course you ahve to turn ALL of it in to the government, and you only get a finder's fee which is not much.

There are laws that do not allow any sort of prospecting on any historical site, which is where you could find the best stuff, and only archeologists from universities, and government geologists are the only ones allowed to retrive many valuable resources.

There are even new programs being implemented by the government to heavily restric private prospectors from being able to mine, and make a profit.


This is getting out of hand. A new Democrat sponsored bill is being reintroduced by Nick Rahall, that would only allow people without the new permits, to take only samples of precious metals/minerals. Even thou gold pans and other non-motorized sluices would be the only available ways to get "samples" of minerals, and other precious resources, if you plan on selling these samples you still would need a notice, or plan, which means paying new fees to have the priviledge. And even then, you have to give 8% of the gross royalty to the federal government, even if such a person does not make a reasonable profit at current commodities prices.

This will not only affect those of us that do prospecting, and even some mining. It will also affect small to medium mining operations/companies, and will further affect jobs in this area.

Here is a link with more information about this new bill.

www.icmj.com...

forum.treasurenet.com...

People who own lands do not own whatever resources/minerals are under that land. They can only "LEASE" their land for companies being able to use their land to get to the resources.

In other words, the people who own the land under which there are rich resources that would make them increadibly wealthy, get a low percentage of money from the resources that are under their land, and instead the rich companies get most of the money/resources.

The same thing is happening with treasure hunters being restricted from shipwreck areas.


2. Under the Revised and Published Rule 1A-31.0092 (3) c, d, e it declares that permit areas shall have a "Buffer Zone" of 500 yards width from: navigation channels, exempted areas as defined in this chapter and excluded areas as defined in this chapter. These areas are defined in 1A-31.0042 and 1A-31.0045. This means no one will get a permit within 500 yards of a public recreation area (i.e. public beach) which translates to about one fourth of a mile from any Florida shoreline. The entire coastline of Florida is off limits for 1500 feet. This is not fair because history shows us that the majority of shipwrecks were blown toward or onto shore by hurricanes. The vast majority of shipwrecks on Florida's submerged lands are probably included within this area. It also means no one (without a grandfathered in Admiralty Claim) will get a permit within 500 yards of any inland waters, inlets, National Park systems, National Marine Sanctuaries such as the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary), State Parks, Local public recreation areas, resource conservation areas and resource management areas, areas conveyed to public or private entities............. etc.

forum.treasurenet.com...

www.flrules.org...


Treasure hunting becoming banned in all states???

forum.treasurenet.com...

This is part of how Americans, and legal residents from other countries were able to make a living in the old days, yet even this has been slowly taken away from us

Not only that, the government is also restricting farmers.


Financial Post March 10/2005
Back off, farmers
By Elizabeth Brubaker

Traffic chaos again disrupted Toronto yesterday as convoys of tractors – in the second such demonstration in as many weeks – converged on Queen's Park to demand more privileges for farmers. Last week, 8,000 farmers organized by the Ontario Federation of Agriculture lined up at the legislative trough for cash. Yesterday's protesters, led by the Lanark Landowners' Association, demanded a different kind of subsidy: freedom from accountability.
Armed with the slogan, "This is our land. Back off government," yesterday's protesters complained about a number of "intolerable" laws restricting farmers. Heading their list was Ontario's Nutrient Management Act, which, among other things, is intended to prevent farm manure from polluting the streams and lands of neighbours. They were also "fed up" with the Environmental Protection Act, fisheries regulations "that protect minnows more than people and harm your farm," and other regulations that have "broken the back of our family farms."

www.environmentprobe.org...


They are also trying to stop/control "private gardens" in the disguse that "they are trying to keep you safe from whatever food you produce in your garden.

This is an example.

foodsafety.psu.edu...

Not to mention that the new taxes they have in mind include taxing more farms with cows, and other animals, as well as pets for their CO2 emissions, etc.

In general, the old ways in which people in this country could make money, are being very restricted, or taxed to the point that you might not be able to keep a farm, or make much profit.


reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 06:02 PM by marg6043
reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Thanks for that nice post, actually another thing that should make any American patriot angry is that in this nation people that hold vast amounts of land are paid with tax payer money no to farm their lands

So much for the power of corporate America on the farmers of this nation.


reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 06:02 PM by northof8
reply to post by mikerussellus


Well, I suspect a lot of people share the fault. When you have kids like its free and think you are entitled to the resources of the producers then you get what you deserve.

I am looking forward to all of it being cut off. I look forward to the rioters being put down like the dogs they are.

I suspect taxpayers that work for a living are not going to be too sad over people that have been dragging them down for generations having to actually work for their food too.

Whatever.... Bring out the rioters and lets get it over with...
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