Governor plans to completely eliminate welfare for families

If this actually goes through I can kiss my astrophysics degree goodbye.
I think thats taking it one step to far though.

Taking away welfare is like a half and half for me because I know I see hundred of peoples throughout the year just milking that system and living for free because they had a couple of kids and decided not to be responsible and than of course there are a lot of families trying hard who do need it and deserve it.

The healthcare for low income children shouldn't be taken away but made maybe a new set of rules or something for it.

But the school grants is ridculous.
I know lots of kids who need that to get through school.
I for one am jobless in debt and broke and need money to go to school and survive until I can get work but now might get denied even the chance to do school due to money and the horrible economy.

F arnold.

Well the people who can't get jobs in California should move to another state where there are jobs. And I know lots of you think that there are no jobs anywhere, but in Texas, there are still TONS of jobs. So my advice to any Californian who gets their welfare taken away and can't find a job, MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!

I mean damn, what in the hell did people do BEFORE welfare was ever created?? I'm sure they found a way somehow.

Originally posted by Slazer
Well the people who can't get jobs in California should move to another state where there are jobs. And I know lots of you think that there are no jobs anywhere, but in Texas, there are still TONS of jobs. So my advice to any Californian who gets their welfare taken away and can't find a job, MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!

I mean damn, what in the hell did people do BEFORE welfare was ever created?? I'm sure they found a way somehow.

Your right on the money!

This is why the government has gotten so large and sticks its nose into our lives more and more every damn year. Too many lazy useless people who want the gov to take care of them and hold their hands. The less independent people get the more power the gov gets over us.

Before welfare era there was WW II, 50 million people died all over the world.
Before WW II there was the Great Depression and Dust bowl, 7 million people at least, only in America, starved to death.

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[quotWell the people who can't get jobs in California should move to another state where there are jobs.


No they shouldn't, we don't have any jobs here either,

Ops is right I don't know who is more to blame the government for creating this mess, or the many, many people that take advantage of the system.

Many able bodied people refuse to work.

I started my own business, back breaking work, they need someone to light a fire under their butts, maybe.

This is an artificial problem.
The whole idea that one must work in order to live is flawed. How much one needs to work? The real need is to enslave people, to make sure the few in power stay in power (it's a sickness, nothing else).

How much people really need to work to live a decent life, excluding stupid obsessions? Really?

And creating so many jobless people is the oldest strategy of the principle Divide and Rule. It is too transparent to be unnoticed.

I'm really surprised that people so readily turn against each others, start spitting and blaming their neighbors, while it is clear that the authorities have created all this mess with careful premeditation.

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Of course it is all made and devised to divide us. Of course it has all been orchestrated, it is called wage slavery.

But what happens when one slave is forced to work while one does not? One toils for his living while the other feeds off of the work of others? Will the host not eventually reject the parasite? Especially when the said host is almost out of blood to spare?

There were people who survived just fine prior to wage slavery and welfare. They lived and survived based on the actions that they chose to take to see it through.

It was called natural selection, the ones who "did" survived and prosepered while the ones who "did not" starved. This notion is fair and would suit me just fine.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Federalise the welfare program in 3...2..

Bingo.
I wonder what Arnie and Odunda where actually talking about when he was in DC.

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Wasn't he at the White House last week when Obama made his little speech about something?

I'm sure I seen him there.

I guess that's when it all took place. I'll guarantee you he has
Obama's approval to do this.

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The whole idea that one must work in order to live is flawed.

Work for food?

What a radical idea.

I don't care if you are a native living in a tribe you still must pull you own weight.

Originally posted by Hx3_1963
Expect Michigan to be right on their heels...

With GM & Chy going under it'll get bad fast here also...

My hometown unemployment pretty close to 14% "officially", but...

Gov G is looking to slash all kinds of stuff here to TRY to get under the "mandatory" budget cap...

My city has 6.4% unemployment rate, which is not much at all compared to yours, but I am 17, and finding a job was quite easy with a little bit of time running around, filling out applications.

The only beef I have with welfare is that it is a double negative. Not only is it people not working, it is also people with no real source of income taking it away from those who do.

Now, for every person to be employed is a bit naive, but I find it hard that those who WANT jobs can not get them.

It's been mentioned that he is bluffing and I would agree with that. This is a game and you realize don't you, that he could raise taxes or revenues to offset some of these budget constraint any number of ways?

Under President Bush the tax burden for sustaining a civilized society has fallen to the states...I'm mean haven't most of you noticed your local taxes skyrocketed under President Bush (in the last eight years)?

He's a politician. None of these Governors want to raise taxes. They are crying for federal bailouts. This whole Republican thinking is so circular and so lacking in accountability. They sound conservative and all for lower taxes - they just foist these responsibilities off on the local governments. You get old people and very young healthy people who do not want to help anyone but themselves.

Everyone here who has said there will be rioting if welfare and food stamps are eliminated is correct. I can see that in my own community...the poor and the disabled are already in desperate straits and the cost of living keeps going up. So is crime.

He is not going to do it. Who here actually believes he is going to?

Originally posted by DangerDeath
This is an artificial problem.
The whole idea that one must work in order to live is flawed. How much one needs to work? The real need is to enslave people, to make sure the few in power stay in power (it's a sickness, nothing else).

How much people really need to work to live a decent life, excluding stupid obsessions? Really?

And creating so many jobless people is the oldest strategy of the principle Divide and Rule. It is too transparent to be unnoticed.

I'm really surprised that people so readily turn against each others, start spitting and blaming their neighbors, while it is clear that the authorities have created all this mess with careful premeditation.

The point of working is to make money so you can purchase things you need to survive and thrive. There isn't actually a requirement that you work. (You're defining work here as a regular 40-hour/week job, I think, so that's the definition I'm using.) You could always go live on a hippie commune and grow organic maize. You could find nontypical sources of income such as providing services for other people in exchange for money or goods... this is called entrepreneurship.

You don't have to be a "wage-slave."

But to live a decent life you do have to DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE. Call it work, or entrepreneurship, or growing organic maize. Do you really think it's fine for someone to sit around on his a$$ all day and expect to be rewarded for it? You have to contribute something to the economy to get a return from the economy... that's what defines an economy.

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i could not agree more. i am lucky i go back to work tues to build an assy. line for canada. it has been work 2 weeks off 6 on 2 weeks off for 6 all year.besides mandatory 10 % pay cut.gas is up a little more $2.59 a gal and i have to drive 61 miles to work, but at least my mind will be busy which is what i like anyway it make you feel good. best to all.

[edit on 23-5-2009 by bluewaterservant]

[edit on 23-5-2009 by bluewaterservant]

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Well those actions alone will prompt an exodus of people out of the state.

That alone will save billions if not trillions on the California economy.

Plus will cause also another exodus of illegals out of California too.

If every state does this it will be big migration to Canada over there health care is universal.

I think I like California's government idea

Let the free loaders go.

Point 1 California is "too big to fail"

Point 2 That pesky 10th ammendment can finally be eliminated when we federalize a freakin' state!

Point 3 The great "liberal experiment" will survive and be dressed up by the MSM as the "NEW" flavor of the things to come.

00.02

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I think that is the whole idea, federalize all the state and completely ban the Republic, so not state can separate from the Union.

Originally posted by spaznational

Originally posted by DangerDeath
This is an artificial problem.
The whole idea that one must work in order to live is flawed. How much one needs to work? The real need is to enslave people, to make sure the few in power stay in power (it's a sickness, nothing else).

How much people really need to work to live a decent life, excluding stupid obsessions? Really?

And creating so many jobless people is the oldest strategy of the principle Divide and Rule. It is too transparent to be unnoticed.

I'm really surprised that people so readily turn against each others, start spitting and blaming their neighbors, while it is clear that the authorities have created all this mess with careful premeditation.

The point of working is to make money so you can purchase things you need to survive and thrive. There isn't actually a requirement that you work. (You're defining work here as a regular 40-hour/week job, I think, so that's the definition I'm using.) You could always go live on a hippie commune and grow organic maize. You could find nontypical sources of income such as providing services for other people in exchange for money or goods... this is called entrepreneurship.

You don't have to be a "wage-slave."

But to live a decent life you do have to DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE. Call it work, or entrepreneurship, or growing organic maize. Do you really think it's fine for someone to sit around on his a$$ all day and expect to be rewarded for it? You have to contribute something to the economy to get a return from the economy... that's what defines an economy.

I wouldn't start from those who are suckling on welfare, but on what really causes it. Because, if you want to cure it, you have to dismantle it properly.

Most people believe that what they get for their work is fair. It is not. It is a very small percentage of what they really contributed. This is what I mean when I say "work how much"? I think that people are overworked to great extent but they have no clue how much. A lot.

And even from what those people "earn" can be deduced to be enough for the welfare. A huge amount of money is being stolen by various means, through control of prices for commodities to drugs and entertainment and all those unnecessary things. Practically everything one earns has to be spent - that is the basis for this illusion of "exchange".

In reality, the authorities hoard and establish monopoly on all things that are realistically needed for people to live decently, and there is a big surplus of those things. Just think of how big modern times' productivity is, and how much food is being destroyed every year just to maintain prices (in order to maintain the illusion that one must work 40 + hours a week). Yes, that's the game, the "idea" I'm talking about. This is the same idea now as it was 100 years ago, like nothing changed in the ways of productivity. No way! this idea has been made a constant while it really is a variable.

And think of the way of life of humankind, the tensions between states, how much money and resources are spent for that? The military, covert operations, security measures... etc. This is the enormous part of the budget which is a total waste, and people are forced to believe they are doing their best in earnest. It is not like that at all. The idea of state is to control food and other necessities and for one purpose only. The purpose expressed as such an idea: one must earn his living. It is being enforced, it is not "natural". The natural struggle for survival is pure ideology of the ruling class, in nature things are not really like that. In nature everything is for free. It is the relationship between predators and game which is emphasized as struggle for survival, and that is a typical social situation.

That is the ideology I am talking about. It has been imposed on everyone and all education and science, mass culture etc. is manipulated to support it.

Look at this silly argument, the government which threw trillions of dollars to the banking black hole doesn't have 5,5 billion dollars to help California!!! Give me a break! You can believe that if you want, but it is ridiculous. It stinks from miles.

They are turning America and Americans into one big carcass and very soon you will be in situation to confirm that despite your bewilderment.

And where did all the good work from hard working people go? Can you answer that?

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Amen to that one Marge.

Let's see how loving and accepting the good folks of the socialist paradise known as Canada will be when they have 20 million hungry and desperate welfare cases beating down the borders to get in and take advantage of their thriving economy and robust social benefits

There may be a border wall put up just yet, however it wont be through the southern states.

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I tell you what if that happen and is an exodus into Canada from the US that nation will be a wall faster that you can say yesterday.

That I have no doubt about it.