Originally posted by xoxo stacie

As far as the crime issue we started to get a hail storm of it a couple months back when they did a temp cut on the welfare checks for a month. (I don't get it so not sure, but did see in local news it was for the month.) It was during the time they had also held onto the state tax returns.

thats the time that i actually asked the workers that i know whether they really would be cutting back on social programs and this is when they told me those are just rumors and social programs would be the absolute last to go...
though nothing has gotten better so i assume, even if its last to go, it will go.

but i really did brace myself for what would/could happen when they gave our "vouchers" for state refunds...even to some state workers! its insanity...giving out vouchers or I.O.U.s instead of a PAYCHECK.

Not hard to see why we are all in such bad shape. I see people suggesting they raise taxes.... WOW. that has never been a solution to anything!The only answer is to spend less. and to never go back to spending more than 80% of net revenue of the previous year. The problem started when states began to anticipate their next years revenue. these estimates are never accurate and always inflated.

Especially harmful is the notion of raising the tax rate on the people who build the state. It has become fashionable to blame wealth for peoples problems when the opposite is true. I mean seriously how many people are employed by a company owned by middle class wage earners....0. If you tax the rich at 90 % they will simply shut down the buisnesses they currently run and move them to other states and or countries.

Spend less. only solution that will last. Obviously the status quo of rewarding people for doing nothing has failed. Every person on welfare will agree it is almost impossible to get off of it because the benifits of free health care, paid rent, paid utilities and of course day care would require a well above average pay job to replace. And people who chose to not finish their High school education for what ever reason will be hard pressed to make decent wages.
It will be unpopular but the only solution is to lower the beniftis that the people receive to the point where working becomes a better alternative. It is called tough love for a reason. It is tough, and there will be people who unfairly fall throiugh the cracks but that is not the fault of the masses who were led down this path by trying to provide a better world for it's inhabitants. The problem is the people who treat the assistance programs as a way of life. They are the ones to blame and we should not subsidise their lifestyle.

BTW: just to be clear, I am only reffering to able bodied persons. Anyone who is mentally or physically disabled or likewise have a qualifying ailment are not the problem. In fact I feel these people are the victims as much as the taxpayers. By being lumped in with the others they have been discriminated against already have been forced to take an ever smaller share of the total amount of assistance which was created to assist them in the first place.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Anyway, this is good news and long overdue. The people who have become lazy and who have been crushed of initiative and pride due to being dependent on welfare and the government in general will finally be cut loose in order to make something of themselves instead of the way of life called welfare.

California does not have to cut basic services like police, fire etc. They must cut all the BS social programs and other misc. programs which does nothing for the people.

EXACTLY how I feel!

OMG!!!


People are going to actually have to fend for themselves without the free money from the working tax payers??

Say it aint so!! What a nightmare this could be.....no more government funded meal tickets!!??

They may even have to eventually get...j...jo....jobs!! The horror

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
I for some reason don't think this will go down as it states.

Nobody will cut off free money to needy people.. Unless that is what they want to do is cause chaos.. Then again as Timothy Leary stated once Chaos is a natural thing for the brain so maybe that's what we need to get ourselves in check.

It is exactly what they want to do.

They want people to be in desperate conditions so when they proclaim how "people will be saved" the people will demand, and beg for any sort of Socialist system. Many people will even willingly give their rights, and would do nothing once TPTB starts dissolving the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

People should have noticed from the beginning this would happen because of the statements made by officials in the current administration.

From Hillary Clinton stating to the world, and the Communist Chinese party that "no HUMAN RIGHT is more important than any crisis", to Emmanuel Rahm , and others in power stating "we can't let pass such a "GOOD CRISIS", and we can do things now that would have never been possible before".

Americans should have woken up a long time ago, and read between the lines, but it might be too late. All we can do is prepare, and resist the changes they want to impose on us.

[edit on 23-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by BlackOps719
OMG!!!
People are going to actually have to fend for themselves without the free money from the working tax payers??

Say it aint so!! What a nightmare this could be.....no more government funded meal tickets!!??

They may even have to eventually get...j...jo....jobs!! The horror

Are you really that naive?

Lets excerpt again what they want to do.

eliminate the state’s welfare program for families, medical insurance for low-income children and Cal Grants cash assistance to college and university students.

There are MANY families which ARE WORKING yet they are still below the poverty line. Yes, there are people taking advantage of the system but many families really need this, and so do the older retired people who can't work anymore, or disabled people.

You have to be too naive to claim everyone who needs assistance is taking advantage of the system, when the truth is far from what you are trying to imply.

This also means that students won't be able to get grants. Many students work, and still need grants to be able to pay their student loans, they also want to take this away.

I feel sorry for you, and your ignorance. But keep wallowing in ignorance and keep showing that you don't have even an ounce of humanity, or compassion in you.



[edit on 23-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by BlackOps719

They may even have to eventually get...j...jo....jobs!! The horror

There are NO jobs to get, go check it out... And it is getting worse.

If I were to really go "out there" I would say that this is all a great plan to enslave the people through economic collapse and increased dependence on government.

The fed and state are taking over industries and financial institutions... Capitalism is in decline, small business failures... Job losses in the MILLIONS and growing.

Marxist socialist system of government which will ultimately have control, indeed rule over all people and commerce.

You will one day work where they tell you, make what they allow you, and your limits will be clearly drawn.

Either you comply, or off to the camps you will go.



Nah, I wont go there.

It will all be fine, we are only a few trillion newly printed dollars away from turning this mess around.



Go back to the television for you MSM news now

Its really not as bad as it seems.

I think that everyone is freaking out over nothing. California is TOO BIG TO FAIL. It has the most electoral votes (55) and those almost always got to the Dems. Do you guys really think that the Democrat controlled congress will let Cali burn itself to the ground? C'mon guys...

"Here in California, schools will close and kids will have to stay at home. Which will be a good place for them since they are going to let the rapists free from jail too."-Bill Maher

[edit on 23-5-2009 by RetinoidReceptor]

My comments were not directed toward working families and people who are out here struggling. I realize that times are tough and jobs are scare. My sympathies lay solely with those who are out here trying to keep it together and scratch out a living during this mess. I am in fact ONE of those people.

My pointed comments were directed towards the professional welfare hawks, the ones who have been living and suckling off of the government teets for two and three generations long. The ones who have never even KNOWN what it is like to have a job or to work. There are people who have been exploiting our systems and fail safes for decades, having baby after unplanned baby, collecting food stamps, welfare checks, WIC, and every other available freeby that our elected degenerates have thrown their way.

Well guess what. The tit is now dry. There are no more free tax dollars available to give them. The American working tax payer is just about tapped. Time to get off of their butts and fend for themselves or STARVE.

Sorry, but I have no sympathy or remorse for a segment of society who has done nothing but acted as a parasite for year after year and may now find themselves cut off. This is what they call go time. Get up and find a way to provide for yourselves or starve. And I for one think it is a welcomed event.

To the college kid who loses funding I sympathize, to the disabled person confined at home who needs assistance to get by I humbly hope you get what is needed, but for the lazy welfare grubbing garbage out there I say good riddance. I hope you have survival skills.

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
This is awful, especially with all the tent cities and homelessness already going on in California. I would think they would be trying to do more to help these people, not taking away their assistance.

Arnold's not been doing a very good job, has he?

There will have to be reductions in welfare spending but I doubt they will let people starve in the streets.

See, the problem is--and conservatives have been saying this for years--that a welfare state is not economically viable in the long term. In other words, this situation in CA should have never been started in the first place.

I think you are a compassionate person and you are interested in doing what is in the best interest of the people. However, setting up a massive welfare/entitlements program was never in the best interest of the people, only the politicians (and only in the short-term for them). Many studies have shown that extensive welfare increases poverty because it creates dependent-subservient class who know no other way of life.

It's like that old Biblical axiom about teaching a man to fish vs. giving a man a fish. CA has been giving them fishes so long now that if they stop giving fishes they'll all starve... they never learned to fish.

Now they will be forced to scale back and this dependent class of people will have to learn to once again function in a productive society. I just hope CA can do this in some orderly way instead of just pull the rug out from under them all at once.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

eliminate the state’s welfare program for families, medical insurance for low-income children and Cal Grants cash assistance to college and university students.

There are MANY families which ARE WORKING yet they are still below the poverty line. Yes, there are people taking advantage of the system but many families really need this, and so do the older retired people who can't work anymore, or disabled people.

You have to be too naive to claim everyone who needs assistance is taking advantage of the system, when the truth is far from what you are trying to imply.

This also means that students won't be able to get grants. Many students work, and still need grants to be able to pay their student loans, they also want to take this away.

I feel sorry for you, and your ignorance. But keep wallowing in ignorance and keep showing that you don't have even an ounce of humanity, or compassion in you.
[edit on 23-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

I want to know how people survived pre-welfare state. Did they just lie around and wait to die, or did they take initiative and perhaps move to other places where jobs were or perhaps take on an entrepreneurial endeavor. Maybe some of them joined the military and sent the money home to the family.

We should remember it was pre-welfare America that produced The Greatest Generation. The Great Society produced no great generations.