The Gorman UFO Dogfight, page 2

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reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 03:17 AM by badmedia

It sounds like a merkaba. I came across it while studying sacred geometry.

It is also in the book of enoch, which is all about the watchers and such things that are interesting towards the topic of UFO's.

Apparently, it is a vehicle for ascended masters and such and is a 3d view of the star of david. The 2 parts spin in opposite directions and it becomes a vehicle that can transport consciousness etc.

What made me think of it was it being small, and it being light.

I'm not an expert on the topic by far. I'd probably not even know about it if not for scared geometry. But might be worth checking out for this particular case.

reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 09:16 AM by poet1b

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Hmm. a merkaba, nice idea. That might not be your avatar now would it?

Admittedly, I tend to think more of ET's, but multi-dimensional advanced beings offers an equally possible situation, or a reality that both exist. Of course this Merkaba might just be some form of probe, that also makes sense.

If we are at a critical point in our evolution as a species, which I think we are, then it makes sense that we would be drawing considerable attention from numerous advanced species or beings, looking to gain some insight from our struggles.

reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 09:39 AM by jkrog08

Em....... I woulda' thought more would be interested in this case?! Well it's here for all to see none the less.

reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 05:45 PM by kidflash2008

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Another outstanding bit of research by you, jkrog08! It won't take long for you to become a Cosmic Contributor.

I was stationed in Grand Forks North Dakota for several years and while I never saw anything unusual, I have read a few very good cases by some military servicepeople. It is interesting that two Air Force bases in ND at the time not only had nuclear bombers but were in the process of getting nuclear ICBMs installed.

I look forward to your other research projects.

reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 07:11 PM by Cyberbian

The fact that all viewers of the object, whether on the ground, or at 14000 feet elevation, describe it as 6 to 8 inches in size indicates that they were all looking at something very far away.

What bothers me about that logic is that Gorman apparently dived down to engage the object.

It is not clearly stated, but I would love to know if at any time Gorman viewed the object surrounded by ground, with no chance that it was a celestial object.

reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 07:16 PM by ArMaP

Originally posted by Cyberbian
It is not clearly stated, but I would love to know if at any time Gorman viewed the object surrounded by ground, with no chance that it was a celestial object.

You can read this on the newspaper article.

At first it seemed like just another airplane. But it wasn't. For when seen over the lights of the town if had no wings. It was just a light. It seemed to be about eight inches in diameter

reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 07:58 PM by Cyberbian

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No, that only says he saw it over the lights, it could still have been surrounded by sky, with the horizon between the lights and the object.

If you read it with a strict eye for what is actually said, you will see that the interviewers were not really interested in gathering the facts. If they were this would have been a critical piece of data. In fact at no time did the interviewers go beyond taking down a statement, the certainly did not debrief or interrogate the witnesses.

reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 08:13 PM by Blackmarketeer

Another description of the events portrays it as a slightly more hostile encounter:

...he was startled by the sudden appearance of a bright white light that made a pass at him.

When he called the tower to complain about the errant pilot who had nearly colided with him, he was informed that the only aircraft in the vicinity was a Piper Club that was just touching down on the landing field and his own F-51.
Baffled, Gorman scanned the skies and found that he could still see the mysterious light off to one side. More than a little irritated by the eccentric pilot's near-fatal misjudgement, he decided to investigate and determine the undeclared aircraft's identity.

Within moments he found himself once again under attack when the strange light put itself into a collision course with his F-51. Gorman had to take his craft into a dive to escape the unswerving globe of light. Then, to his terror, the UFO repeated its charge, and once again he just managed to escape collision.

When the UFO at last disappeared and ceased its passes at his F-51, Gorman was left shaken and convinced that "its maneuvers were controlled by thought or reason."

From "Ufos Are Here!: Unmasking the Greatest Conspiracy of Our Time"

Obviously he wasn't chasing (and avoiding) celestial lights, it was something very close to his aircraft.

The only natural phenomena that can possibly account for this objects physical description is a "plasmoid phenomena", i.e. ball lightning. That still doesn't come close to explaining this objects maneuvers. Ball lightning tends to follow erratic patterns or drift lazily about, not perform high-G "dogfight" maneuvers, nor do they align themselves into repeat collision courses with an object. Then again, there hasn't been a comprehensive study of plasmoids to determine if they couldn't perform as this object is described to have.

Definitely one of the great UFO mysteries.

reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 08:17 PM by badmedia

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by badmedia

Hmm. a merkaba, nice idea. That might not be your avatar now would it?

Admittedly, I tend to think more of ET's, but multi-dimensional advanced beings offers an equally possible situation, or a reality that both exist. Of course this Merkaba might just be some form of probe, that also makes sense.

If we are at a critical point in our evolution as a species, which I think we are, then it makes sense that we would be drawing considerable attention from numerous advanced species or beings, looking to gain some insight from our struggles.

My avatar in the center of it is the flower of life, which is part of sacred geometry and all the basic shapes in all dimensions can be found in it. It's a topic in itself. My avatar is colorized and has a bit of a "snowflake" thing added around it etc.

The merkaba is said to hold consciousness within them, and is just a vehicle for consciousness only. I supposed that could be some sort of probe if that consciousness has a physical body elsewhere.

What really got my attention about the story outside the normal light deal was the small size. If it is just holding consciousness in it, then I wouldn't expect you'd need something really big. Also, it didn't change sizes and stuff, but the intensity of the light blinked and change, and that is another thing that sounds like what I've read on the merkaba.

www.crystalinks.com...

They are also described as "wheels within wheels" etc.

No idea on the validity of it all. Just repeating what I've read here.

reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 01:38 AM by Cyberbian

A pilot who begins to perform combat maneuvers, with a celestial body might well, loose his spatial orientation and believe the celestial body to be doing counter maneuvers.

You presume that this is not the case.

How can people thousands of feet away determine that the light was the same 6 to eight inches in size as a pilot who is mere feet from it.

If the light were millions of miles away, their relative distance would be virutally the same, their perception of size the same.

Had there been actual questioning with an interest in determining what had actually happed, we could perhaps have the best evidence for UFOs ever. Unfortunately we are left with the strongest most consistant fact, suggesting that he was jousting with the moon, maybe not litterally the moon but perhaps close enough.

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reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 02:09 AM by gravitonomega

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WOW..............Been a lurker for awhile. I think you are one of the best posters on here! Internos, Mikesingh, Armap, and you seem to be the tops here! I hope you get some type of recognition for your great posts and threads bro! I really enjoy them. This thread today made me join as your research and devotion to to the topic is wonderful! I look forward to seeing you, Internos, and Mikesing (as well as armaps insights) more often! I think "some type of subject matter conspiracy expert is due! or something along that lines is due! I apparently cannt send messages yet but I want to know some of the best cases (besides this one) that internos, armap, mike singh, or you have encountered.Keep up the great work jkrog!, the research is great! Keep it up!

PS Like your "circle avatar, never could see it before I joined!

TTYL

Sorry for the bad type, I am using a friends cpu!

also.....have you uncovered any new information on the kecksburg crash?(always one of my favs...)

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reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 07:59 AM by ArMaP

Originally posted by Cyberbian
No, that only says he saw it over the lights, it could still have been surrounded by sky, with the horizon between the lights and the object.

Sorry, I don't know if I understand what you are saying.

Do you mean to say that he saw the object over the city but he was not above the light?

If that is what you say then I think you may be right, he does not specifically state that he was over the light, he only talks about seeing the shape of the aircraft and no shape around the light, he could have seen the Piper Cub shape illuminated by the city lights and not blocking the lights, although I have the idea that I read something about it.

reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 01:27 PM by jkrog08

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The craft's lights were obscured when it passed over the city lights, I think that is in the 3rd page of my OP(not sure though,lol). The object when viewed up close (when it passed over head) appeared to be 6-8 inches diameter. The craft itself was small. So I do not think it could be an illusion of a celestial body, neither did the USAF in their final conclusion.

reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 01:43 PM by ufoorbhunter

Wow this is fantastic. To quote the guy "between 6 and 8" inches, white and round." Now if that's not a bang on description of a ufo orb then I don't believe in ufos!

reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 01:46 PM by jkrog08

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also.....have you uncovered any new information on the kecksburg crash?(always one of my favs...)

There is not much new insight available unfortunately, but there is a lot of information available out there, not too much on ATS sadly(about the Kecksburg crash), including the NASA FOIA (it isn't anything really but feel free to take a look). Here are some links for you and welcome to ATS "officially",lol.

www.abovetopsecret.com... (FOIA)

en.wikipedia.org...

www.ufoevidence.org...

www.ufocasebook.com...

Hope those help

reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 01:47 PM by jkrog08

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Absolutely, IMO I think it was an orb and all most orbs are IMO is probes. I doubt even our F-22 today could catch it!

reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 01:54 PM by ufoorbhunter

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Certainly could never have stopped like one, they can come to a halt like no vehicle ever seen by humans. Yes this does appear to be another account of the ufo orbs. From the Star of Bethlehem to the NASA critters these things have been interacting with humans and we still do not publicly acknowledge them.

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reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 01:58 PM by jkrog08

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So did you know of this case before? I find the late 40's (when the UFO boom began) has some of the top cases, even Blue Book said that and they are the government!lol

reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 02:43 PM by ufoorbhunter

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Did I know this case? No, never heard of it before. It's only through ATS that things like this case get read, I'm big into ufo orbs and have seen wonderous things but there's all these other experiences out there too. This case is very interesting, the date of 1948 is so timely with other early reports.

PS You say these ufo orbs are government devices. Well you may be right but from experience I think they (or some of them) are something literally out of this world, they are like a life form in themselves.

reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 02:48 PM by jkrog08

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I didn't say they were gov devices (I don't think I did,lol)....Some maybe, but most are probably alien.

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