Rachel Maddow trashes Obama for shredding Constitution! Must watch!

reply to post by dgtempe

I hope others will follow suit and that remains to be seen. Rachel may change her tune if her job suddenly is at stake.

I was thinking the same thing. This video has some very harsh criticism. This is almost as nasty as some of the crap Hannity spits out....but unlike him...this has substance.

Just looking at the comments on the youtube page....it's all out anger...from both libs and conservative alike.

This could wake people up.

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That stuff only applies to US Citizens, certainly not Prisoners of War. During a War, a Prisoner may be detained as long as the War is ongoing, which this war currently is. Additionally, Geneva Convention Laws have historically only ever applied to Prisoners of War fighting in uniform with openly displayed weapons. As soon as you conceal your weaponry or your uniform, you are endanger of falling under being a spy or saboteur. That is why US Prisoners of War, during WWII, used to make clothing for escape attempts out of their uniforms which they could quickly convert back.

Now couple this with the fact that they were obviously involved in conspiracy, and they have in fact committed a crime. We really don’t have to hold them as enemy combatants or indefinite detainees, because they are in fact guilty of conspiracy.

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That stuff only applies to US Citizens, certainly not Prisoners of War.

We're not discussing POW either. We're discussing citizens and non-citizens being put under preventive detention, which is a system that requires no justification or being tried for your crimes, they don't even have to tell you why they are arresting and holding you.

The human rights group that appeared on Maddow's show is afraid that Obama's words imply that he will use preventive detention on terror suspects (this applies to people within the US), it is not yet specified if it would just be used with non-citizens, I think if that was their game they would mention it instead of alluding to it being a terror suspect. A terror suspect could be anyone, including a US citizen (see the terrorist watch list, we have hundreds of thousands of US citizens on it). Even if they are not a citizen, I wouldn't just assume that that means they have no rights and should be treated this way. A lawsuit already cemented that non-citizens who were detained after 9/11 and had the option of appealing their cases and indefinite detention.

See this supreme court case: www.msnbc.msn.com...

[edit on 23-5-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

A good new article on this:

President’s Detention Plan Tests American Legal Tradition

President Obama’s proposal for a new legal system in which terrorism suspects could be held in “prolonged detention” inside the United States without trial would be a departure from the way this country sees itself, as a place where people in the grip of the government either face criminal charges or walk free.

Mr. Obama has so far provided few details of his proposed system beyond saying it would be subject to oversight by Congress and the courts. Whether it would be constitutional, several of the legal experts said in interviews, would most likely depend on the fairness of any such review procedures.

Ultimately, they suggested, the question of constitutionality would involve a national look in the mirror: Is this what America does?

“In our constitutional system,” Mr. Obama said, “prolonged detention should not be the decision of any one man.”

But Mr. Obama’s critics say his proposal is Bush redux.

Mr. Obama’s proposal, Professor Hakimi said, appears to be “an aggressive approach that is not commonly taken in other Western developed countries.”

In a letter to the president on Friday, Senator Russ Feingold, Democrat of Wisconsin, said he was not sure Mr. Obama’s idea would prove constitutional, and added that “such detention is a hallmark of abusive systems that we have historically criticized around the world.”

Source: www.nytimes.com...

[edit on 23-5-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

No kidding. Obama is doing EXACTLY the contrary of what he's saying in his speeches and what he said during the campaign. He's only keeping his words on the worst things he promised:

The bank bailouts, the national service, the national health care, more Afghan war, bombings of Pakistan, maybe war with Iran...

All the other good promises he did during the campaign, he's doing the total opposite.

He can go to hell. And Maddow/Obermann should do like Dobbs, who is really independant.

This was a good find, I usually avoid her because I find her to be awfully conceited but she is right on with this one. I really hope people start to realize what is going on before it is to late.

Excellent. Will watch this woman now. Not the usual fluff stuff you see,

S & F for you David.

I don't think I have ever said this on this forum before, but I'm afraid for my country now, more than ever. I was angry at the Bush admins, but never really *afraid*. I'm afraid now. This was beyond disturbing. He wants to open a gitmo of his own right here on our soil.

And you know, despite all the threads about fema camps, and my fence sitting and disbelief of something like this coming to fruition, I'm completely sickened to the core that America has indeed been duped again. If seeing was not believing, listen to this video of our potus, in HIS words.

Who will they go after first? All the militia? People who protest at tea parties? People who post their dissent on forums like this?

Chains we can believe in!


It did cross my mind once or twice that this little change to this moto might happen, but now that it is happening I am floored simply floored by his blatant disregard for everything American.

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going from a staunch Democrat and never saying anything against Obama, to saying that he made the most radical speech ever to the American people - I am impressed. I might need to watch her again now.
also msm allowed this on - that is also impressive.

Originally posted by David9176
First of all....

The oath of office of the President of the United States is an oath or affirmation required by the United States Constitution before the President begins the execution of the office. The wording is specified in Article Two, Section One, Clause Eight: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

en.wikipedia.org...


I've gotta say...I'm surprised to see this. I'm starting to like this woman a bit. She always gives Ron Paul, of whom I'm a big supporter, the utmost respect when on her show.

I think Ron Paul is starting to rub off on her some.

As she states in this clip...Obama is stating that he'll keep people in detention because they MIGHT commit crimes in the future.

Watch this! This is on MSNBC...the Obama network to boot!

Kudos to Rachel for looking out for the Constitution on this one!!
Watch as Obama declares that he can HOLD SOMEONE INDEFINITELY WITHOUT TRIAL! I didn't see this speech when it aired...how did this get by everyone? This is the first I've heard of this.

Obama is NOT change...no matter how much you want it.


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[edit on 23-5-2009 by David9176]

This isn't that different from the Bush Dynasty

Bushy changed the rules to suit his own evil agenda.
And the White House, Pentagon, FBI, CIA just ignored all Laws because
it didn't apply to them.

It's just a continuance of old Dynasty

What scares me the most about this information is, today these new laws are for Islamic terrorists. But what about tomorrow?

Who IS the terrorist of tomorrow?

Is it the person who protests Govt decisions? The person who says no to their rights and freedoms being abused?

This is pretty frightening stuff. Today Islamic extremists, tomorrow Christian 'radicals' ?

I fear this will become a non event. Talked about for a short time and forgotten. The law wont be forgotten, but the people who suffer from it will. Once the law is in place, and times change, as they always do, maybe 10 years from now, these laws will be used to hold who? Anyone the Govt decides? A targeted group for whatever reason that can be painted a threat by the MSM?

Truly terrifying.

Originally posted by marys123421
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going from a staunch Democrat and never saying anything against Obama, to saying that he made the most radical speech ever to the American people - I am impressed. I might need to watch her again now.
also msm allowed this on - that is also impressive.

Maddow has never been a staunch Dem. She has admitted several times that she is a liberal and she said she wouldn't call herself a supporter of Obama during the election, she just didn't support any of the other candidates more than him.

Our president was a professor teaching Constitutional Law, he bragged on his wonderful record on Civil Rights and Liberties, he postured about the evils of the Bush Admin and military tribunals, blah blah blah.

So, here we have an "expert" on the Constitution, very nice. Hmmm, so he knows the way to work it. I like this:

1. "Reshape" standards that apply to this rule of law
2. "Construct" legal framework
3. "Develop" appropriate legal REGIME

Sounds a bit like a kid playing with blocks or play dough doesn't it. Reshape, construct, develop....if this isn't the most blatant and absurd attempt to steal freedom and warp everything this nation stands for I don't know what is! Who needs conspiracies when it is happening right before our eyes, nope no conspiracy theory going here.....this is REALITY IN PRACTICE, no theories needed on this one people.

Now the good thing is his hopes at playing mad constitutional scientist with our freedoms is raising red flags across the board. When you have some of the most liberal people screaming about this and the conservatives screaming about that....maybe just maybe the distractions of left and right can fall to the wayside and his agenda stopped.

Obama Deception anyone?????? I love it...Chains we can believe in....you said a mouthful there!

reply to post by David9176

Right at the beginning of the Obama administration I said that the left will be far more critical of Obama and hold his feet to the fire as it were than the right ever was of bush minor but no one on here believed me.

But if you browse any of the liberal blogs and websites they have been critical of Obama and his decisions right from the very start... in short despite the rhetoric from the right to the contrary we did not drink and any kool-aid and unlike the right wing bloggers media and talk radio are not a bunch of sycophants like the ones who toadied to bush minor and his cohorts.

This should prove what we have claimed since before the election that Obama was a moderate with liberal leanings as opposed a dyed in the wool liberal... but the hard right will never admit that.


[edit on 23-5-2009 by grover]

Originally posted by grover
This should prove what we have claimed since before the election that Obama was a moderate ....

Actually, I think this is continuing evidence of him being a FACIST, not a moderate. Financial facism and now this. It's all adding up and the sum doesn't equal 'moderate'.

Well, cool guess Obama bashing is coming into vogue, must be about ratings.

Interesting... Thats some crafty doublespeak Obama is executing there...

Well, I guess everything is going according to plan...

Wow.
Well, guess I'll need to cut her some slack now.
This was definitely not the benign ramblings of a shill.
Kudos to her for sticking to her values and not the party line.

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Right now the socialist bordering in communist and dictatorship traits of Obama are rapidly surfacing, it is true that power corrupts people.

He now put in charge his own White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel to start GPSing every home in this nation something that is not law that say that the Federal government has the power to do that.

Then he plans to make the government the sole provided of employment in the nation so he can control who gets jobs and who doesn't.

And more littler things that if you put them together are nothing but power grabbing and unconstitutional.

Now he thinks that he can override the constitutional powers of citizens, I guess what he meant is that he will make the patriot act permanent.

The man is cementing what his master wants just like Bush did.

But as long as we the citizens sit and complain without any other ways to show our outrage nothing is going to happen

So actually we are doing this our our own selves.