Originally posted by Ryu Albertson
anyone that is able to get out of their body,
im basically interested in sparing with someone out of the body
i want to train myself and obviously i love fighting.
please give me a reply, here.
Your post reminds me of the ones I made back when I got my first lessons in shared dreaming. There was a topic on "Night Stalkers" people who can
enter other people's dreams. I figured if there were such a thing, then it would make sense that they would be lurking on a dream related forum so
they could read about themselves in the dream journals.
So I began to make cocky posts calling them out, daring them to visit me. I had been lucid dreaming for years, had a few good tricks, and figured I
could kick some serious ass in the dream world. Boy was I wrong! Dream combat isn't about battling someone, it's more of a game of distracting
your opponent. You can use violence, but that's not very creative.
So anyways, I kept calling them out. My posts made no sense in the context of the thread and people kept asking who I was talking to, but eventually
they came for me. For several nights in a row, I was stalked relentlessly all night by someone I saw as a Jason/Micheal Myers type of character. At
first I thought they were self induced dreams, but there were too many things that differed from my regular dreams.
The first oddity was the frequency. They would attack me all night, for several nights in a row. Another oddity was that I could no hurt them no
matter what I did. I could punch them, kick them, shoot them, burn them, drop building on their heads, and they wouldn't even flinch. What finally
convinced me was the fact that every now and then, they would become distracted by something and forget about me. It was like they lost lucidity.
They had been chasing me for hours and suddenly they get distracted by some ancient temple cave leaving me standing there thinking "WTF? I'm over
here dude!". Another anomalie was they appeared as a certain role, but did not stick to that role in their actions or the things they said. Never
had dream characters do that before.
So I was getting my ass severely kicked night after night, because I wasn't playing the same game they were. I did slowly begin to get clues on how
dream combat works through interacting with them, and also because they would compliment me for strange things. For instance, when losing a battle in
dreams, I often retreat to some white water rapids and dive in where people can't follow me. When I did that against this guy, he said "Nice one!"
before following me in. I lost him in those rapids. I later figured out that the intensity of those rapids is the perfect distraction.
Capturing and redirecting your opponent's attention is how you win a dream battle. As I was getting better at this, while fighting that guy we fell
into a rhythm where I would send something at him and he would destroy it. Over and over again he destroyed my "attacks". So I summoned a huge
statue head out of the ground, and he proceeded to start destroying that. Only the thing was so big, it was taking him a long time to destroy it.
While he was busy with the statue, I wandered off and sat under a tree to watch him for a bit. Then I just left. That's how you win a dream fight,
not by pummeling your opponent into submission.
I also learned why my attacks had no effect on them. It's because everything requires your attention to exist in dreams. If you ignore you're
opponent's attacks, they have no effect on you. Again it comes down to capturing your opponent's attention. There were to people I encountered in
those dreams, and one of them was very adept at focusing my attention to cause pain, at he was before I caught on.
I wish I was better at finding people in dreams, but I've never been able to pull it off with someone I don't know well. Otherwise I'd grant your
request for a dream fight.
I learned how dream control really works during those encounters, and it's helped me tremendously in my lucid dreams. I've also experienced several
spontaneous OBEs, and my lucid control techniques worked the same in those as they do in dreams, so I had to conclude that OBEs are nothing more than
Shared dreaming does not occur on an astral plane. Each participant experiences their own unique dream, and the parties involved don't necessarily
see or experience the same thing. What I see as a rabid dog, you may see as a wolf, but on an archetypal level, the core image is the same thing.
That's why I don't believe in an astral plane, we each create our own reality.
I try to share what I learned from shared dreaming in this thread which I titled "The Nature of Dream Control".
[edit on 18-7-2010 by The Cusp]