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reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 08:52 PM by its bologna
reply to post by jerico65


Okay...

here.

and

Here

Actually, its illegal to commit torture if you are a US national period under US law.

But there you go.


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 08:57 PM by WhatTheory
Originally posted by its bologna
here.


TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 113C of what?? What document is this?


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 09:01 PM by its bologna
reply to post by WhatTheory


That is US Code. Its on the title page of the document...

Also many references were made to it the torture memos, that's how I learned to search for them...and how I know that the lawyer who put together the argument should be disbarred, because I'm no lawyer, but his argument was weak and inept.


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 09:08 PM by LucidDreamer85
Originally posted by yellowcard


So, I guess Sean Hannity is next? I wonder if Sean would denounce it as torture if it was done to him. I know that he said he was going to do it for charity, but he has yet to do so. If Hannity says it's torture it could send a shockwave through the right wing, I think. I'm sure that despite it being torture he may still say it's needed for national security. Many right-wing hosts have different perspectives on this, some even say that the terrorists have no right under the Geneva Convention because they weren't in uniform.

rawstory.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



Who defines what uniform is. Us because it is easy for us to make our own rules?

I wish more people would try this out so they know.

They best way to know something is to experience it.


If our politicians want waterboarding to be allowed , anyone who is for it should be forced to endure it.............Without a safety device because after all.....Those that our gov is doing it too don't get a safety toy cow.


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 09:15 PM by Majic
Torturous Discussion

Originally posted by WhatTheory
You are correct. Most people including myself is against torture.
This is not a contradiction on my part since waterboarding is NOT torture.

Of course, the question of whether waterboarding is, in fact, torture or not is at the hub of the hubbub.

There are obviously differing opinions regarding waterboarding. The matter does not appear to have been conclusively resolved from a legal standpoint in the United States, and the issue is surprisingly complex.

It's been posted before, but the Wikipedia article on the subject really is quite well-researched and informative:

Wikipedia: Waterboarding

As many other members have pointed out, waterboarding has been historically considered torture and a war crime by the U.S. government, and it very much does contravene the United Nations Convention Against Torture to which the U.S. is a signatory (and it is therefore legally binding per Article VI of the U.S. Constitution).

Although my own arguments against waterboarding are based on moral and ethical grounds, it also appears unlikely that the practice will be unable to withstand public scrutiny or judicial review under international law.

Thus it's ultimately a dead horse from a political point of view (definitely not a winning platform stake for the Republicans), and a chapter of U.S. political/military history that I'm hopeful will soon find itself referred to in the past tense forever more.


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 09:22 PM by Alternative
I had to dig up my password and log in again just to voice my opinion on this. Lately i've just been lurking and not posting any material. New computer so the password wasn't saved.

But anyways. Some of you people posting in this thread make me want to vomit. A few problems I have:

People in the US military are/were subjected to torture. Well they signed up for the military. Maybe they didn't sign up saying they want to be waterboarded, but I believe once they sign into the military, its open game. Im sure they can still say no. But if you agree to it, it doesn't fit the definition of torture. Detainees don't have the choice to say no. They haven't been proven guilty. And nor did they sign a piece of paper saying they are willing to be waterboarded. Combine this with the fact that waterboarding simulates drowning and can make you go unconscious. Also, doesn't it prevent you from being able to breathe? I mean, call me a pussy if you want to, but I like to breathe 24/7. If someone detained me and subjected me to waterboarding to get answers out of me, then it is by all definitions, torture.

Again, some of you people make me want to vomit.

And also, I've nearly drowned many times. In fact, it was part of our training to become lifeguards. (not sure they still do anything like that though). And yes, its a completely unbareable feeling. Maybe some of you were waterboarded (again, post vids if you are so tough), but I'd bet my life that some of the prison guards didn't treat detainees with any degree of respect. Breathing in straight water can kill you. Water into the lungs can kill you. Your body's reaction is that of a body that is about to die. How any of you think that is not torture is beyond me.

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