Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before saying its torture, page 3
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reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 07:47 PM by David9176
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage





Same thing happens with some of the MSNBC staff when someone tries to suggest something negative about Obama.


Couldn't agree more.

Sometimes I will switch between MSNBC and Fox News just to see how they are covering the news for that day.

Both are so biased...and both spin the facts and leave out information...and in turn both channels destroy their credibility.

If only those who watch either one of those channels exclusively watched the other and truly listened to how things are presented...they'd see that most everything is a half truth with BS stacked on top of it.

But i've noticed an eerie similarity between the two lately...

Not much difference on the war front.

It wasn't like that a few months ago.

What happened to the anti-war movement?



reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 07:48 PM by its bologna
reply to post by laiguana



The position your body is in forces the water down your throat. It simulates drowning. I think those who don't think its torture think the same way you do. It looks rather innocuous.


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 07:49 PM by Majic
Hey Kids, Try This At Home!

Props to Mancow for having the personal and intellectual integrity to experience waterboarding for himself, and for having the temerity and showmanship to do so publicly, on tape, as well.

I heartily encourage anyone who doesn't consider this torture to try it at home. Make a video of it, just like Mancow, and settle the question for yourself.

That's right, go for it! Prove you're right!

Demonstrate by example that this is something a civilized nation, which prides itself on liberty and justice, should be performing on captives without due process of law.

Explain how you really don't mind the idea of captured U.S. military personnel being subjected to waterboarding, how it's not torture, and therefore perfectly fine to practice on U.S. soldiers.

Or heck, why stop there? Why not approve it for all U.S. citizens during police questioning? Sure, just answer a few questions downtown for us please, Mr. or Mrs. America. You can have an attorney present, but you will be waterboarded.

Would you really be okay with that? Would they be?

Or is it really all the sort of hypocrisy it appears to be on its face?

Does Sean Hannity truly think it's okay to waterboard U.S. troops? If so, what sort of "friend of the military" would that make him?

If it's not okay, then why not? Why not if isn't it torture?

People can make all sorts of lame and unconvincing arguments about how waterboarding is not torture, all of which require gross ignorance or patent dishonesty about what constitutes
torture.

So why not "take the plunge" and prove it's not?

Or would such an exercise come too uncomfortably close to Denying Ignorance?




(Just my personal opinion, nothing more.)


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 07:49 PM by jerico65
Originally posted by bsbray11
It's nothing to have to apologize for, just like I won't apologize for what you believe.


Then secure your opinions about the topic. Just because you believe one thing doesn't make everyone else wrong.

Originally posted by bsbray11
My focus was mainly upon the thousands of innocent people we have killed, not so much the technical name for the way we killed them, sorry for not making that clear.


Yeah, the US military is just machinegunning innocents all the time. How come no one seems to blame the insurgents that are killing women and children in the marketplace on an almost daily basis? That's where your "thousands" are coming from.

Originally posted by bsbray11
I don't know about soldiers, I was thinking more about BS like this:
www.democracynow.org...


Don't know about Soldiers, but it's oh, so easy to blame them.

Originally posted by bsbray11
At any rate, how many of the people that they detain get any kind of court hearing? You don't support those either, I guess.


Court hearing? These aren't LA gangbangers or some guy that jacked your car. And even a Crip should get more protection and court guidence than an captured insurgent. The Crip is a US citizen protected by the Constitution; the insurgent ain't.

Originally posted by bsbray11
Let me guess, you think I'm a democrat.


Really don't care what you are. It's doesn't matter.


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 07:52 PM by David9176
reply to post by Majic



Excellent idea Majic!

I think it's thread worthy.

Let's see ATS users waterboard themselves and put it up on video for all too see.

If you don't think it's not a big deal....put it up on video and show how tough you are!

If it's nothing it shouldn't be a problem for the naysayers!


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 08:01 PM by its bologna
reply to post by WhatTheory



If its not torture, then why did we help prosecute the Japanese for it after WW2?


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 08:01 PM by grover
reply to post by sos37



I do not hate my country. I love it and I chose to serve... and I served honorably. Yet according to you just because I believe that we should abide by the laws and treaties that we sign, that we should abide by the ideals we proclaim... that somehow I hate it is the height of hubris...

You sir are an arrogant fool... but then most fools are arrogant.



reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 08:01 PM by mikerussellus
Originally posted by grover
reply to
post by sos37


We are a nation of laws that is what is supposed to make us different from the rest of the world... we willingly signed the Geneva conventions and we have not withdrawn from them... therefore like it or not they are the law of the land... and they define water boarding as torture... hence we broke the law.

BTW I willingly served my country... and I resent your insinuation that just because I my opinion on this differs from yours that somehow I don't love my country.

Did you serve or are you one did you like Cheney have other things to do and is instead another arm chair blow hard warrior?

[edit on 22-5-2009 by grover]


I also served, but as far as I knew, we weren't signators to the Geneva Convention. While we agree to it, we didn't sign it. I'll follow up to make sure that I'm right, but I distictly remember our USAF briefings about the subject.


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 08:04 PM by WhatTheory
Originally posted by its bologna
reply to
post by WhatTheory



If its not torture, then why did we help prosecute the Japanese for it after WW2?


You do realize that the Japanese version of waterboarding is not the same as what we currently think of waterboarding right? Their method was deadly.

If it is torture, then I guess our military tortures it's own soldiers since it is part of their training.


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 08:05 PM by grover
reply to post by sos37


No I did not say that at all.... you are very good at thinking you know what people are not saying but you are wrong...

I was saying if I have to spell it out to you is that you sound like one of those arm chair warriors who are brave with other people's lives... who are oh so gungho with their little flag flying from their car but would never consider putting their own lives on the line.

A cowardly lion in other words.

So I will take your avoidance of my question about your service as a no.

Happy Memorial day.


[edit on 22-5-2009 by grover]
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