Originally posted by bsbray11
Those buildings went down because they were rigged.

Sorry, that's your opinion.

Originally posted by bsbray11
.....carpet bombing their innocent civilians......

Hate to spoil your mood, but we haven't carpet bombed anyone since Vietnam, and then it was mainly jungle.

Originally posted by bsbray11
....and abducting and torturing people.

Yeah, since the troops don't have anything better to do.

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Originally posted by bsbray11
.....though I'm pretty convinced our country is already screwed.

Aw, where's your hope and change??

I have a hunch that an insurgent would hold out a lot longer than some fat turd named "mancow".

I don't get it if it wasn't torture they wouldn't use it.The difference is it creates terror which can be used to gain information. It is mental torture without the physical effects. They aren't using battery cables cutting off fingers burning out an eye with a hot poker. Physical torture goes into creating fear and physical injury. Mental torture plays off fear of drowning freezing to death anything they can do to break there will. There will tells them not to cooperate you have to convince them this is not in there best interest to do so. If water boarding didn't create terror what would be the point really? Are we supposed to ask real nice for the terrorist to give us information?


So, is this what's one of these "interviews" are supposed to sound like?

"Mr. Khalid Sheik Mohammed, thank you for joining us this morning. Some coffee or maybe a Coke before we begin? Oh, and I'm sorry. Yeah...you'll have to remove the headphones from your iPod. Yeah, it's a rule. I agree, and on behalf of the entire United States government and the President himself, let me apologize that someone didn't explain that in advance.

Oh, I agree...that Lady Gaga really has it going on. Nonetheless, please, you'll have to take off the headphones. But remember, you're signed up for our "Spa Sensation" right after luncheon. Hey - what would a massage be without a little music? You can listen then. OK? Good.

Now Mohammed. Can I call you Mohammed? About this whole September 11 situation, Mohammed. Would you mind telling me who planned the unfortunate event?... Oh, don't be silly. It's fine if you say you don't know. All we want is what you know to be the truth. We'd hate to have you feel that you must lie or unjustly point the finger at any of your friends. Hey, it ain't right for a guy to rat out his friends -- am I right? C'mon, Sheiky...am I right?

...So, really, you don't know anything? Nothing?...Hmmm.What about -- oh. Not that, either, huh? Or maybe you could tell me about the guy who -- really? Yikes. Screwed that one up, too. We thought you knew him.

Yes, that's right! "Our bad!" Ha, ha! Good one! ...Yes! "L-O-L!!!" You've got quite a sense of humor!

Hey, I've enjoyed this. And we hope our time together hasn't been an imposition in your day. And we certainly do appreciate that you pulled yourself away from your prep work for your appearance on Oprah. Well, look. Why don't we meet up tomorrow and talk a bit more then. Maybe, just maybe, you might remember something about September 11 and we can spend a few minutes talking about it.

What's a good time for you? Oh, heck yes. Check your activity schedule and get back to me. ...OK. Your "people" will get back to me. Whatever works for you."

Sure. I'd be glad to validate your parking...What do you think we are? Infidels?"

Originally posted by sos37
...that you have such hate for your fellow Americans?

Because he says waterboarding is breaking the law, he hates Americans?

If that's logical to you, then I'm not even sure how to communicate with you. Are you Sean Hannity?

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by sos37
...that you have such hate for your fellow Americans?

Because he says waterboarding is breaking the law, he hates Americans?

If that's logical to you, then I'm not even sure how to communicate with you. Are you Sean Hannity?

Those are your words, sir, not mine. I haven't concluded whether waterboarding is torture or not, myself.

I'm saying he hates America because whether it is torture or not, breaking the law or not, he would rather satisfy his moral compass on all levels and let these disgusting terrorists get three hots and a cot while they conspire to kill our American citizens and recruit our own citizens into their extremist organizations.

That, sir, is logical to me.

Originally posted by sos37
I'm saying he hates America because whether it is torture or not, breaking the law or not, he would rather satisfy his moral compass on all levels and let these disgusting terrorists get three hots and a cot

They aren't "disgusting terrorists." They're detainees that haven't been convicted of a damned thing yet, in some cases that have no evidence against them whatsoever except being in the wrong place at the wrong time. There's the first difference between what you say, and reality.

Just because you don't torture them doesn't mean you give them "three hots and a cot." If I remember correctly, a lot of these guys are kept in fetal positions in small metal cages, naked, with cold fans blowing on their backs all through the day.

Let me ask you: Why should we even defend this country in the first place, if we're going to do the same sorts of things that the Nazis and other dictatorships resorted to doing? Are you really that brainwashed that you would allow your leaders to do whatever they want, including break their own laws blatantly and systematically to torture people, because you think you "love your country"? What about defending the ideals it stands for and all of that? Seems like wearing a lapel pin of a flag is more your kind of "patriotism."

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I have to say (and this is an indictment of my ignorance) but that's all waterboarding is? Pouring water in someone's face like that? I thought it was much more intricate and intense. Not saying it isn't any less effective or that it's not torture, I'm just surprised that the act that's creating such an uproar is so simple to do.

Mancow is a little pussy, watching him freak-out after literally like 6 seconds when the guy was being gentle as hell with was rather hilarious.

So, I guess Sean Hannity is next?

I hope Sean Hannity is next.

Probably won't last for more than four seconds.

I kind of wish someone would do that to me because I can't see how it's torture just by watching it...I suppose it must feel like drowning? I can hold my breath for a long time.