Originally posted by WhatTheory
Just because Mancow is a wussy does not mean waterboarding is torture.
Waterboarding is NOT torture.
IF it was torture, then I guess the military tortures it's own troops since it is part of their training.
IF it was torture, that Shiek fellow would be dead since he got the treatment something like 83 times.
Waterboarding is mental and not physical. Apparently Mancow is not mentally tough.
Hmm. I went through basic training, myself and I was never waterboarded..
This is part of troop training? If so, then it IS torturing our own troops.
But I have never witnessed it or heard of such a thing. If you're talking about Navy Seal training, that is different. These men are not actually
being waterboarded. They get water poured on them sometimes, maybe. But that is a far cry from purposeful-simulated drowning where your eyes are
covered, your nose is covered, and you have a towel over your face to absorb the water and amplify the sensory perception of drowning. Plus, these men
are ALL there voluntarily and all know the training is going to amount to being tortured both mentally and physically. Why do they do this?
Tradition mostly. I DO think it's sort of idiotic though. But that's just my opinion.
Why some people imply the term "torture" should only related to what isn't going to kill someone is beyond me... If you wanted to kill someone, you
can just kill them. If you want to interrogate someone for information, you wouldn't want to kill them. That wouldn't make alot of sense.
drowning but just because you aren't working on killing someone for information doesn't mean it isn't torture.
Pulling off your fingernails won't kill you, but under your definition that wouldn't be torture either. Or how about, cutting fingers, toes, hands,
and/or feet off? You don't want to kill them, just really mess 'em up so they'll talk, right? Or how about just yank their eyeballs out, or cut
their ears off, make them stay up for days on end without sleep, blast loud annoying music all hours of the day, rip their hair out, constantly
humiliate them both emotionally and physically, temporary starvation, temporary dehydration, WATERBOARDING
What makes me sick is how people justify torture in the name of the public good. How do we even know the information being given to us is correct?
How do we know they aren't just lying to stop the torture? How do we even know what people know or don't know? And if we don't know what they
know or don't know, why would we just torture them until they say the right thing? None of this makes any sense and it is also against international
law in the first place.
Are people actually willing to remain in this emotionally bankrupt state of consciousness so adimantly pursued and defended by the Bush
Administration? That's what it seems like. And it just goes to show how far from reality conservatives really are on this issue. Conservatives are
both pro-life and pro-torture? How is that even justifiably feasible??! So, don't do anything to the little babies, but go ahead and push people to
the brink of death for what you think MIGHT be "good intel"?
I'm mystified at this level of ignorance and idiocy..
I really think alot of conservatives are pro-torture because they can justify trying to get information out of someone as long as the torture isn't
really going to "hurt them" (as some people view waterboarding). I don't even know what to say to that.. It just makes me want to break something.
NEWS FLASH! TORTURE INVOLVES HURTING PEOPLE PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND/OR PHYSICALLY. They can defend their stances on the social issues, claim to be good
little Christians, and then defend their pro-torture stance. It doesn't make any sense. I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone.