Originally posted by Tentickles
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by cpdaman
70% of our gdp is consumer spending.. internally revolving "wealth"... take the reserve currency status from us and our currency crashes.. y
We cannot sustain an economy generating real wealth if our second greatest asset is the ability to spend our money...
You sir, indeed have a godlike wisdom on this subject.
Hit the nail right on the head. A Consumer economy doesnt last if the consumers dont consume.
A consumer economy doesn't last if the consumer doesn't consume....well ya......... but it can hang on pretty well ....especially w/ the World's
Reserve curency.........
also losing the world's reserve currency could happen
a/ very slowly
b/ all of a sudden
and if it's B the state of the economy would still depend on wether we now share the crown w/ one or two other currency's in a "basket" or if the
dollar's weight in the world markets would fall below another country's or two......this would make things much worse
however the collapse in consumption is estimated to be from 70% of GDP to 62-63% of GDP......taking a worse then expected fall would give you i.e
60%....
then what will happen (and is ) is that Gov't spending will pick up alot of the GDP slack from consumption........
although there are two other measures that make up GDP as well and even with gov't increasing spending (stimulus bills/war spending) GDP is still
falling 5-6% annualized over the last 2 quarters
the problem with increasing gov't spending.....is finding someone to finance it...........this is very difficult when other nations are following in
the US footsteps and increasing spending themselves.......so in order to find enough buyers for the treasury's being sold ......the FED has and is
likely to step in and buy the debt
referred to as monetization..............now were the USA the only country doing this ....this would be very bad for the Dollar....but the UK, parts
of the Eurozone and Japan are/will be so they are in a very similiary boat.........
remember the dollar index is made up of primarily the EURO (58% weight) and the Yen....also to much lesser degree's/weights....the....Pound..canadian
dollar....Corona (sweeden) ....Swiss franc.........with declining percentages....
so relative to other currency's like the EURO/ YEN /POUND the dollar may be fairly stable considering the spending programs there...
now against gold? that may well be another story
will monetization of say 1 trillion in treasury debt by the fed lead to inflation like many pundits believe.....i remain to be convinced that this
money will get into the real economy....i.e businesses/consumers......rockpuck are you aware of why monetization seems to raise inflation fears so
much.....and is this based on normal lending enviornments .....perhaps when the fed is paying intrest on excess reserves this encourages banks not to
lend ( which could be argued is a unintended consequence).....
I personally think many economists talk up Inflation like it is inevitable in order to MOLD investor and consumer behavior and get people to start
buying stuff (instead of thinking they could wait for lower prices).....
[edit on 24-5-2009 by cpdaman]
[edit on 24-5-2009 by cpdaman]