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Originally posted by Sonya610
Rape is very common, most rapes are never reported. For someone to stand up and imply that up to 50% of rape convictions are based on LIES is offensive. In fact the vast majority of rapes are never reported, they are dark little secrets. So to imply that WOMEN are victimizing MEN by the odd false accusation is upsetting to many women.
Originally posted by Sonya610
This thread reeks of misogyny. Yeah so there are "female friends" involved. So what. It still reeks of it.
[edit on 22-5-2009 by Sonya610]
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
I really wish I didn't have to go...
because that's what it is about - the confusion about what it's really about
:-)
and please forgive me for that
Originally posted by Sonya610
The implication is clearly that all women (even really good people that are friends) may lie and ruin a life by throwing around rape accusations. No men mind you, no boys, but WOMEN.
Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Maybe it is the fear of the power women can have, the male ego can be fragile and fearful, maybe this is a ego driven thread, or it's coming from the distrust of women he may feel, I have no idea.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984I never implied that women are victimizing men like it is all women based on a few false claims.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
its about rape, racism, lies, and how Good and the Truth triumph in the end
Originally posted by Sonya610
Oh I do not think you are making stuff up. I think you hear things and then color the statement/facts with your emotion.
Originally posted by Sonya610
But the question is, after this lovely debate why not bring up this topic with your female friends? Truly. Print out this exchange and bring it the next time you meet up with them and get their honest opinions.
Originally posted by Sonya610
All you have really said is that your friends AGREE that rape is a harsh charge, as is murder, as is pedophilia, as is heroin. Felonies. Yup, all of them. Yet somehow this has been construed as a "hidden power" that is often weilded against innocent men due to female spitefulness.
Originally posted by Sonya610
I suggest you research the topic more and realize that male spitefulness has much more frequent and far harsher physical repercussions.
Originally posted by Sonya610
Read the first few posts. Apparently OP has MANY female friends, and discussed this with him, and they agreed that rape is a horrid and scary accusation (as is murder, and other felonies).
Then the OP goes on to say that he wonders if his female friends would accuse innocent men of rape if they were "pushed". Oh and after that he goes on to say his friends are "good people".
Originally posted by Sonya610
The implication is clearly that all women (even really good people that are friends) may lie and ruin a life by throwing around rape accusations. No men mind you, no boys, but WOMEN.
Originally posted by Sonya610
And the OP hangs out with them all the time, most of his friends are women. But the rape thing is still apparently paramount in his mind, the fact they (his good friends) would accuse innocent men of such if they were angry or disappointed.
Does that strike you as a bit....errrm.....????
[edit on 22-5-2009 by Sonya610]
Originally posted by Sonya610
Yes possibly so. Most of the friends are women, constantly surrounded by women, their opinions, their perfume, but yet...they are scary. And if you touch them they could accuse you of RAPE!!!! Because look at all the articles that show men were accused of rape! It is horrid and very very scary!
Originally posted by Sonya610
No you just implied that women, even really good honest decent female friends, could easily press FALSE CHARGES.
But wait, if I address you is it offtopic? The whole thing is weird. Yes, truly. There is a lot going on and it is NOT about those news articles.
Originally posted by Sonya610
Except the charming story did NOT involve actual crime statistics. Or since you were making it a race issue, actualy Inter-Racial Crime Satistics.
Originally posted by riley
Sorry but your friends were having sex with a minors.. they could be charged with rape legally even if they were in a relationship. That is not a false rape claim.
..and immature? 15 and 16 year old girls generally are. :shk:
Btw. Many false rape claims are NOT made.. that was the point I was arguing.
[edit on 22-5-2009 by riley]
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
. . .
As for stat rape i would say this, each case needs to be assessed on it's merits, as with any breech of the law. How about this one, a friend of a frien was in a night club, slept with a girl. Now this is an 18's and over nightclub. He then spent a year or more fighting a legal battle because the girl was actually 15 and had lied and said she was 18. That is technically stat rape. So what should happen there? Should he be imprisoned for years because he didn't ask for ID?
However this thread wasn't about that, you have brought it up, this thread was about how men are badly treated in rape cases, unfairly seen by juries and how men have to be quite fearful of such an accusation ever being thrown their way.
we're simply stating facts that women use the word as a weapon quite often.
Originally posted by Mr Headshot
I don't care about the point you're arguing, it's irrelevant to the thread. Nobody is saying that rape doesn't happen often or that most victims of rape aren't really victims of rape, we're simply stating facts that women use the word as a weapon quite often.
I know girls are immature...I wasn't saying they weren't.
Also, 16 is legal age of consent here in this state.
These people weren't my friends, I just knew them.
I know they were still considered minors though, as the legal age of consent is a kind of grey area, but that aside, this was not "rape" in the classic sense of forced sex. It was just that the girls got caught (in both cases) and said....oh....HE RAPED ME. That's about the size of it.
But yeah, everyone knows that rape does happen, this isn't a woman-hating thread or a "let's glorify rape" thread so come off your high horse.
:edit:
You took the words out of my mouth Chrono.
:edit edit:
Geez, people are really twisting the OP's words around on him. I would make an innocent joke here but I'm terrified of the ladies here by now.
It's the interweb people, chill out.
False rape claims are America’s taboo epidemic, and we chronicle news of false rape claims on a daily basis. We receive heart-wrenching emails, especially from mothers of young men who have been falsely accused. One young man recently told us our website stopped him from committing suicide.
Police officers sometimes note in a moment of candor that a significant percentage of rape claims are false, but false claims generally are neither publicized nor severely punished, if they are punished at all, for fear of putting off women from reporting actual rapes.
“It was the most horrible thing I have ever been through in my life ... I thought I wasn’t going to see my kids again,” said Darren Ball, who became so distraught over the lies told about him that he tried to throw himself into traffic. Concerned passers-by pulled him to safety. The stigma of being accused of rape never quite goes away, as Darren explained: “I should have been cleared completely, but I still get funny looks from people. Months after the charges were dropped, people were still saying ‘have you heard, we’ve got a rapist living down the road.’”
The Daily Cardinal
Originally posted by AllinTheMind89
Edit: The title of thread is EXTREMELY misleading lol. I thought it was about the word "retard"
Originally posted by riley
So did I! I was sure I wouldn't be the only one.
In regard to him saying it is a minority.. yes he did say that. He also then started saying there were no actual studies to see how often it really happens which suggests he does not really believe the official "in the minority" statistics. That is contradictory and I think it's unfair to accuse us of not understanding and being "angry users" when he's already contradicted himself many times imo.
Originally posted by riley
I would please ask that opinions be respected without them being dismissed as (implied) feminist ravings. Either me and other ladies here have legit opinions or we are all out to get him and to take him out of context.
[edit on 23-5-2009 by riley]
Originally posted by Kailassa
The fact of the matter is that men have traditionally been able to root and run, leaving a woman holding the baby. Their only worry in the past is that the woman they do this to might be into doing it herself, and may have picked up a disease she passes onto them. While the woman had not only the disease to worry about, but possible unwanted motherhood and lifelong shame as well.
Originally posted by Kailassa
In most types of crime this is not a big hassle. However when it comes to a women bringing a rape charge, this has led to her being followed around and filmed by private investigators to see if she drinks or wears short skirts. A women often has to undergo the most frightful character assassination in court, while the man, even if it's his 20th rape, can go through the case with no reference being allowed to be made to his past or to his style of dress.
Even before court the woman is often treated badly, with the police automatically disbelieving the story, particularly if the girl is not left with injuries that prove she was physically assaulted. But the fact is, if the woman is much smaller or more timid than the man, she can be intimidated or held down without leaving damage that will show later.