hey there Imaginary
not sure if you're still around – I’m sure you’re wore out on this one :-)
I was unavoidably detained – sorta – and since I’d reached a point where I didn’t feel I had anything useful to contribute – I didn’t
especially since I could see trying to communicate with you was going to be that much more difficult – what with you’re not really reading what
people say and all
to be honest – I find this thread of yours to be very strange – based on nothing more substantial than some chit chat you’ve had with what could
be – as far as I’m concerned – some kind of imaginary female posse
a gaggle of young ladies you consistently reference as if they might know something more about any of this than the room full of women you’ve been
attempting to communicate with here
I’d ask you: what are you really after with all this?
I’d ask if I thought you knew – but I’m not sure that you do
however – since you’ve asked these questions – the least I can do is respond:
Would you agree that studies show a stupid range of numbers in regards to the false report rate? 1-50% is nowhere near good enough for us to
accurately draw opinions.
I would agree that the “numbers” show that you didn’t have anything to go by but your own assumptions, imagination and anxiety when you started
which is not the same thing as my saying that you don’t have a point – but it does go towards my saying – you’re argument is about a personal
concern of yours – even if it is your own personal concern about men being falsely accused of rape
many of the people posting in this thread have actually been on your side – though you might not see it – it is difficult to stand by and do
nothing when someone has been accused of something they didn’t do – so, I understand your anger
what I don’t understand is your inability to understand why your argument for apples has a negative effect on the situation of oranges
and your condescending opening post really, really rubbed the oranges the wrong way
everything that came after that was no longer a debate – it was about you defending a misstep you could have corrected much earlier on – but you
chose not to
Would you also agree it is therefore a good idea to get a handle on a true figure, especially as this would stop lawyers speculating in
this tells me you don’t understand how the legal system works (or doesn’t work – depending on the situation)
statistics are not going to influence an individual case in court. You seem to think that if somehow we possessed this magical number – everybody
– lawyers included (and, seriously – get real Imaginary) would look at each other and mutter “we’ve been such fools...”
no – if a case makes it that far – the process is about whittling away speculation and trying to prove to a jury what actually happened – by
both the prosecution and the defense
Would you agree this is a logical, careful approach that holds no bias, only a need for clear statistics?
no – absolutely not – bias is built in
you want a perfect system where everyone ends up knowing what really happened in the end – or sooner, so that we can just do away with the need to
it’s what we all want imaginary – but sadly – there is no such perfect system
so, we settle for close is close enough sometimes – bias and injustice are going to be part of that imperfect system
Would you support more specialist police officers being trained to deal with rape cases so that they can more easily tell the false accusations
whilst making sure they provide better support for real victims?
no – it isn’t supposed to be up to the police to determine guilt or innocence – you need to let go of that fantasy
if it went the way you wanted it to – it would come down to a handful of people being able to sit down with a young lady and just say - “I think
she’s lying – she’s got no case”
I don’t care if those people are gifted telepaths – I personally want them no where near this process
Would you agree that an accusation of rape is far harsher on a persons life than an accusation of theft for example.
no – I think it appears that way to you – for whatever reason
Would you support supression of the media speculating on cases of rape which influence the public at large. Whilst this wouldn't effect the jury
on that particular case, it would effect any future jury for other cases. Obviously they should be free to comment on convicted rapists, but not on
ongiong cases or simple accusations.
first – there are already things in place that restrict information the media can and cannot print when it comes to legal cases
again – the system is imperfect – but even if we could arrange for this to be done the way you wanted – it wouldn’t help you as much as you
think it would
Finally, would you agree for harsher sentences for men and women who do falsly claim rape? Because at the moment the sentences are either short or
suspended. I can understand your concern that this would discourage women from coming forward, but if we had the better trained officers this would
hopefully counter that.
why are the sentences short – or suspended do you think?
this is funny to me - in a way - because, we all have ideas about what is or isn't a harsh enough punishment for a given crime
you seem to think it's not enough punishment as it is right now - I begin to suspect this is somehow more about punishing someone
you will, maybe, argue that it’s because women always get off too easy
but it isn’t difficult to see that the entire subject of - not rape - but the accusation itself
is a muddy area - making it difficult for
everyone to maneuver
the thing you don’t seem to want to look at or factor in is: many of the reported claims of rape – real or false – never go anywhere
why is that Imaginary?
and as to the better trained officers - I don’t understand why you can’t see: their role is not to determine guilt or innocence
it’s not up to them (though I have no doubt that it happens consistently) to weed out or allow in to the system cases based on their hunches –
personal or professional
this is why we have the courts
so Imaginary – to sum up: think about what you’re saying before you say it
there’s always a better way to say something – it could have saved you a lot of grief – and this could have been a very different kind of