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Gay Curriculum Proposal Riles Elementary School Parents

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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 10:07 AM
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Gay Curriculum Proposal Riles Elementary School Parents


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A group of parents in a California school district say they are being bullied by school administrators into accepting a new curriculum that addresses bullying, respect and acceptance -- and that includes compulsory lessons about the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community that will be taught to children as young as 5 years old.

The parents from the Unified School District in Alameda, a suburb of San Francisco and Oakland, say these issues are best learned at home and most definitely are not age-appropriate for elementary school children.

The parents are also angry that they wil
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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 10:07 AM
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the parents are right here.

it's not the school's place to teach about gayness.
it's the parent's.


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[edit on 22-5-2009 by TheAmused]



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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I bet every parent polled will also say that their kids don't bully.


I suppose we should just tolerate the suicides of kids who were called gay and bullied by their peers. Two 12 year olds recently killed themselves after bullies refused to stop harassing them and calling them gay. Being called gay is the biggest insult in school, and that should change.

If the education isn't approved, then they need to be much more harsh on kids that do use those words to bully others. If a guy in school called a black the N word, I'd bet he'd be in huge trouble but it seems homophobic words are more tolerated by policy.


The proposed curriculum will include a 45-minute LGBT lesson, once a year from kindergarten through fifth grade. The kindergartners will focus on the harms of teasing, while the fifth graders will study sexual orientation stereotypes.


Oh wow, 45 minutes of LGBT education once a year? Yeah, that's really unreasonable



The move toward the new curriculum began two years ago, when teachers noticed that even kindergarten students were using derogatory words about sexuality, such as “fag.”


Either they get some education in hopes of stopping the behavior or they get kicked out of school for a number of days. If they use the words again, they get kicked out. Pretty simple. It is sad though, that word started getting used first around 5th grade for my school and now kindergarteners are using the word.


England said she believes Alameda's curriculum committee has purposely excluded religion, even though it is one of the protected classes. “This indicates an agenda is being pushed, as opposed to an altruistic attempt to teach tolerance,” she said.


Yeah this makes sense, when was the last time you heard someone throw out the word Jew, Christian, Muslim ect. around as an insult? I don't remember ever a time where someone used those words in school. This education is supposed to address bullying, hence why they are teaching for 45 minutes once a year about GLBT topics and not religious tolerance because its not an issue.

As to this violating the first amendment, I think its a joke. Christianity does support homosexuality. No human is perfect, that's why Jesus died on the cross as is said. He died for all of our daily sins. Jesus also preached forgiveness, and he said that to the extent that you give others mercy, you will receive mercy. Judge others and you will be judged.

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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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I think it's ok for them to tell young kids there are gay people and that they're people too just like them but that's it.

It's not okay for them to show porno or anything since they're way, way too young to decide what they want in life.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 10:45 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I'm all for making children aware of all that is going on, be it current events, wars, gays, etc, but this is going beyond what elementary school is supposed to be about. It's funny, the schools want this responsiblity, but they expect parents to teach their five year old the alphabet and know how to read and write at a first grade level even before kindergarden. The education system in the U.S is the worst pile of garbage right now and this is the last thing they need to worry about. Teachers need to teach the students the subjects they are required to teach. This is absolutely ridiculous.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 10:45 AM
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The biggest travesty is that they say the parents have no right to pull their children out of these classes!!! We should be the ones to educate our children on sensitive issues. We don't need the state, or big government, to indoctrinate our children with what they deem to be appropriate. I won't force your children to praise Yahweh, and you don't force my children to see homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle (no problem with the person, but I don't agree with the lifestyle). What has become of this country? God help us all.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 10:54 AM
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Have you ever had to explain to your son/daughter why those two men/women are making out with each other? This is an issue that not everyone agrees upon, and while I DO agree that people are people just like you and me, I am a christian. I follow the Bible, and I believe in the God of Abraham. That is how my children will be raised. If they choose to think differently when they become ADULTS, that is their business. It will sadden me, but they will still be my child, no matter what. Even if they decide that they are gay/lesbian as well. But as long as they are my child, I will raise them and teach them right from wrong. That is every parent's job, given to them by God, to teach His ways.

“Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me” (Deuteronomy 5:9).

What a great responsibility, therefore, each father has! He should quickly accept Christ (whose credentials as our Creator and Redeemer are impeccable!) as his Savior and Lord, and then diligently train his own children “in the nurture and admonition of the Lord” (Ephesians 6:4).



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 11:01 AM
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children learn from adults around them, it doesn't matter a damn what you teach them in school as regards to what is normal or not, if mommy looks disgusted every time two guys walk by holding hands, the child will assume this is the appropriate response.

if gay people are treated as totally normal by a child's parents then the child will just assume that homosexuality is totally normal.

teaching children in school about homosexuality will do nothing except reinforce the abnormality if thats what their parents are teaching and introduce abnormality if thats not what parents are teaching.

if you want to normalise homosexuality for children you need to normalise it for the parents and the children will naturally follow.

the school wants to be seen to be doing something rather than wants to do something that is actually effective.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 11:08 AM
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People wonder why the educational system in the US is not providing the quality of education that we would like.

One of the reasons is ridiculous mandates.

Each school year, there should be a brief review of expected behavior which would include teasing. Suspensions and/or expulsions for repeat offenders. No ifs ands or butts.

We don't need more diversity lessons, we don't need to focus on gender identity, we don't need to focus on all the things that should be taught at home. One of my relatives is a teacher and he said that every day, every week and every month has already been identified by some special interest group and teachers are encouraged to teach lessons around these special subjects.

How do you incorporate minority history month into your math lessons?

Schools need to focus on the basics. Teach the kids to read and write. Teach math. Teach appropriate behavior towards everybody.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 11:11 AM
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That's a really good point. Racism for example was never a problem in my area's public school system, and more than likely a good deal of it was because their parents weren't racist. Right now we have a 50/50 split in public opinion for adults concerning homosexual topics and kids take advantage of that to bully others.

I think part of the bullying comes from their own insecurity, if they call others names, then they can't possibly be gay and others won't view them as gay and bully them. So they call others gay, so that they don't get called gay
These are kids we're dealing with, so nothing is too stupid.

I had another thought that rarely gets discussed. A surprising number of preteens and early teenagers have homosexual feelings and thoughts, but it doesn't necessarily mean they are gay. I think this causes a lot of anxiety or unease for some younger folk, so wouldn't it make sense to have a bit of talk about this sort of thing in school? It's not something that most parents would understand since they don't have the education. But there are a lot of studies and statistics talking about homosexual tendancies early in life, but it doesn't always mean that a person who has those attractions will become "gay". Wouldn't that knowledge be helpful to students?

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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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This is liberalism run amok. I have no problem in teaching our children that bullying is wrong, it without a doubt is.

But any lessons on bullying should extend to every group, not just gays and lesbians...our children should be taught bullying and bigotry against any group is wrong.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by ghaleon12
I bet every parent polled will also say that their kids don't bully.


[edit on 22-5-2009 by ghaleon12]


Too right, but how many teachers also bully on this subject.

At least people are going to be more accepted for what they are, but there will always be some sort of bullying.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by deadbang
This is liberalism run amok. I have no problem in teaching our children that bullying is wrong, it without a doubt is.

But any lessons on bullying should extend to every group, not just gays and lesbians...our children should be taught bullying and bigotry against any group is wrong.


Like I already mentioned, no one calls someone a jew, christian, muslim as an insult. In all my years of school I've never heard that happen, so what is the point of speaking about it when the point of this new education is anti-bullying?

Really though, education also needs to take place on GLBT topics, not just bullying in general. It's like saying "Yes, black people are stupid and lesser humans, but be sure not to say anything out loud and me sure not to say that to their face". In this example, wouldn't we want kids to understand that black people aren't bad people? Or do we just want them to be silent, but still hold on to those ideas. I doubt you can have them not namecall and still hold on to those ideas, the ideas are in part why they bully.

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I guess everyone can practice Christianity how they feel, but for better or worse there are dozens of different interpritations of what Christianity really is. Some believe in a physical resurrection of all those who've died, other Christians find that ridiculous ect. On just about every topic there is varying opinions by Christians, and its hard to definitively say whats "correct" and whats not. Even when quoting Bible passages, a person can always find a quote that supports their case.


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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 01:42 PM
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Speaking from a psychological perspective, I do not think it is a good idea to teach this at such an early age. This could have serious effects on the development of the child. In the 2 early stages of development children are very susceptible to outside influence and although the intention may be noble the result could be damning. All of the children I have come in contact with do not even understand sexual orientation at that age, in fact in a lot of cases they have not even realized there is a physical difference between boys and girls other than how they dress. The child is just starting to learn gender roles from within their family and peer associations. I do not think it is a good idea to tech these ideas during the pre-operational stage of development. Children in this stage of development are just understanding conservation and semiotic function. They are not intellectually prepared to take this step yet. The changes during the first stages of development are broad sweeping reorganizations. This could severely affect the child's development in the typical areas of these stages.

I do think it is important for children to understand diversity and sexual orientation and they should be taught; however, not in this stage of their development. In later stages of development the learning is more incorporational in nature and less of a complete reorganization. Ideally these lessons will be taught by the family; however, as I am sure we are all well aware, if the parents or caregivers drop the ball, the state is left with little option other than to do it for them.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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Yeah, I commend the school's effort to be teaching equality and all that jazz, but you can't force this onto young children.

The parent's have a right to keep things from they're children that are not very easy to understand such as homosexuality and what not. There is a time and place for all things. All children mature differently, you can't just apply an age to when a child is ready to learn about a certain thing.

Teach the kids about equality, but sensitive subjects should be kept out of the classroom.

~Keeper



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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You probably went to a more tolerant school. Although I haven't heard insults towards Christians when I was in high school I did here a lot of insults towards Jews and Muslims. Religious tolerance should be a given, but sadly it's not in all places. So I happen to think that religious tolerance does merit being taught in school, as does tolerance towards those of a different sexual preference. The way that students throw out the worlds "fag" and "gay" these days is pretty depressing, so it does need adressing. But so do a lot of this intolerances.

I think what the schools need to do is to have the kids sit down and tackle the entire spectrum of intolerance as it applies to bullying. Race, sexual preference, religion, ethnicity, and bullying in general. These are all things that parents should be teaching kids, but in a lot of cases aren't.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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I for one do not "hide" information from my children and no matter how tricky or distateful it may be to explain, I do so in an age-appropriate fashion....just as my parents did to me. Believe me, I thank them every day for it.

Sexual orientation is not just who you have *gasp* sex with, its who you love. Two men can love each other just like a mummy and daddy love each other. Sometimes your classmates may have two mummies or two daddies....etc.
Thing is..... it exists. You would be shocked if you knew what 5th graders know these days...and the existance of homosexuals is probably more of the one benign things they do....

I find it hard to believe anyone who DOESN'T have a problem, even a slight one, with homeoexuality -and believes in equal treatment of all citizens -would find this information not relevent to a 5th grader. Like I always say...I know we're all busy but supplement your child's education and don't rely on only what schools teach them. This goes for liberals and conservatives alike.

Believe me, bullying is pretty bad these days. So many children and teens, ***homosexual or not***, are teased and called derogatory names like "fag" or "homo" or "dyke" etc. It is not OK and is incredibly offensive to some-as well as hurtful to their peers.

I do believe however religious intolerance should be included. Not a major problem overall-but it depends where you live in the country. Believe me-there are many parents out there of the older generation who still hold racist tendencies (as well as homophobic) and their kids pick up everything...they're like a sponge.

Its like Swine Flu....one kid picks up these views or language and they think its OK because they heard their parent(s) use it...they bring it to school...it spreads...half the kids arn't even sure what they're saying let alone believe it to be true themselves. But a herd mentality prevails in school and the bottom line is...sadly....it can take one bad egg to spoil the bunch.

You can be anti-homophobic language yet still not accept homosexuality so it does not mean that your children will be coming home gay.
Let's just make it known what is verbally *NOT* acceptable in a school environment and then teach them your views of others on your own time.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by ghaleon12
Like I already mentioned, no one calls someone a jew, christian, muslim as an insult. In all my years of school I've never heard that happen, so what is the point of speaking about it when the point of this new education is anti-bullying?


Yes, but they do use words like Witch and Pagan and Heathen. I am a pagan and very happy with my choice. By Pagan, I mean my beliefs are centered around the natural world, not Wicca or whatever. My wife considers herself a green witch, pricipally due to her uncanny natural abilites regarding plants and animals. My children are NOT forced to believe what we believe, and, in fact, we encourage them to explore religion and find what works for them.

This works very well in our family, however at my daughter's school, when the kids found out she doesn't go to church, she was chastized, alienated and bullied under that pretense. The school administration generally ignored it, rather than treating it with the same level of seriousness one would expect for someone being bullied due to race or disability.


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I don't agree with California's proposal to give kids an education on homosexuality in the form of a 45 minute lecture. I think that defeats the purpose of what they are trying to accomplish. I mean, if they want to have homosexuality as a lifestyle choice be treated as normal, then it should be treated as normal. You have a book where a family goes to the zoo and learns about animals and the author makes it two dads and a daughter. Fine. Just don't focus on the fact that it is a homosexual family. The book is about the animals in the zoo. That sort of thing.

I know there are followers of the Abrahamic religions that will still feel this is forcing the matter upon the them, but which do you think is the better route, keeping your kids in total darkness or simply telling them that yes, there are other beliefs out there that you don't agree with, but you will have to live in this world with them, so learn to deal with it.

This site is supposed to be about denying ignorance. So live up to it. Keeping kids in the dark is wrong. Denying that homosexuality exists until the kids are old enough to hate them is wrong. If you firmly believe in something and feel your kids should feel the same way, then fine, brainwash your kids as you see fit, that's your right, but do not impose your beliefs through legislation on others.

BTW, that last sentance goes both ways -- don't require mandatory Gay training on people just because you feel it is normal and right.

end rant.



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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 02:49 PM
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Why is this being called the "Gay Curriculum", it's about bullying, gays and lesbians and transgenders are just a featured topic.

Teaching a five year old about bullying in this fashion seems useless to me. Yes, we need to seriously address the cruelty of our youth and how it is leading to suicides, shootings, and recorded beatings that are posted on YouTube.

But forcing kids as young as five to take lessons like this probably won't solve the problem. They're too young to understand more than what school policy already mandates that they should be taught (or how they should be punished) when it comes to bullying. Even if there is one foul child who could use these lessons, they're probably getting that attitude from their home, not the school. What is taught to a young child in a classroom for a few hours is never going to be able to combat what they experience at home.

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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 02:52 PM
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-would find this information not relevent to a 5th grader


No, but I do take issue with extremely young children being involved in these lessons. I just feel that tackling this issue with a five year old is a waste of time. Their school time should be better spent.




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