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Obama's call on photos saved lives

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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 08:10 AM
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Are you serious? Arabs are being tortured because white soldiers did it, you have to be kidding, but I shouldnt expect nothing less from the far left who love to play the race card whenever they can.




posted on May, 22 2009 @ 08:20 AM
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play the race card whenever they can.


It is not the race card. IN new Jersey where I used to live, police and FBI used to profile Arabs and Muslims (from Pakistan, I am neither
). I am aware of some people whom the police watched and stalked as potential terrorists.

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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 08:24 AM
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Maybe if the Highjackers were not Arab then they wouldnt have been profiled.

Also the thread is about Obama’s decision not to release the photos not racial profiling. Stay on topic

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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 08:40 AM
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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 08:44 AM
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Maybe if you stopped reading left wing talking points you would know that picture you show as "American soldiers raping a women, is in fact not US troops. so whos the idiot?

By the way where did you get this photo? I recall a video the allegedly shown America forces raping an Iraqi women, when in reality it was a porno filmed in eastern Europe.

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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 08:48 AM
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Another broken promise, it seem that the man of change and hope is nothing but a big bag of crap.

So much for the transparency promised under his government, what a joke.



Every day I look at him he looks more and more like Bush.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet

Originally posted by Chevalerous

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
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If you recall a General was also punished as well as other officers in the chain of command who let this go on under there watch, again get new glasses.


No sir! only scapegoats were punished!

U.S Lawyers that Spain & Belgium now are collecting evidence about, for crimes against humanity are one group!

The people responsable & proven guilty for crimes against the humanity through proven signatures, and implementation of the torture agenda in the former administration: Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney , Wolfowitz etc - are the second group!

All these men should be prosecuted & punished with the Rule of Law if you want to save your face infront of the whole world!

Once again! new glasses can do you good!



If you are referring to CIA water boarding and its enhance interrogation methods, it was deemed not torture but DOJ lawyers as well as members of both sides of the isle. We are referring to the pictures that Obama has blocked from release (stay on topic). No one is going to get there hands on the previous administration regardless if Spain and Belgium indicted the former administration or not. So again you need to get new glasses and you should really stay on topic.


If a country fails to prosecute & punish its own people responsable for war crimes & crimes against the humanity, every country of the "allies" and Spain & Switzerland who have special universal jurisdiction rights, can according to Geneva Convention & Hauge War Tribunal prosecute these criminals with the rule of Law - if their own country fails to do so!

These things were etched in stone after the trials in Nürnberg War Tribunal.

That's why Rummy ran away from his arrest in France like the spineless coward he is:

www.bloggernews.net...

killfile.newsvine.com... vestigation-when-an-alleged-torturer-is-in-its-territory-

rinf.com...

And by the way! the way they implemented those torture Laws were illegal even in the USA - they fooled the legal system (therefore the investigation about Gonzales & co) and all the American public when they implemented those Laws! - it was not done according to proper procedure and therefore illegal.

"The lawyers appear to have been part of a plan to subvert the law."

What is it you don't understand my friend? These photos the now wanna suppress is part of the evidence!

They broke the Rule of Law when they subverted the Law of the United States of America for implementaion of the torture Law - and these Spanish prosecutors can prove this now!

The Spanish prosecutors advised the Americans that they would suspend their investigation if at any point the United States were to undertake an investigation of its own into these matters!

Judge Baltasar Garzon is known as the man who arrested Pinochet in London for crimes against the humanity!

"The lawyers appear to have been part of a plan to subvert the law." First the administration fixed on a policy of cruelty, then they found the lawyers to sign off on it. On my reading, the lawyers acted not in the service of providing fearless, independent legal advice, but provided support to a predetermined policy of abuse. In that way, they became complicit in a policy of torture."

www.latimes.com...


www.thedailybeast.com...


You know something?

You! yes you! don't look very smart to us in the rest of the world, and us world citizens here at ATS - when you are trying to defend these criminals so fanatically as you do!

Justice & Rule of Law will win in the end, no matter what!

And I seriously hope that the America I love, will do just this!


And BTW! that rape photo of that Iraqi women it's not a porn movie shot!

And it's not American soldiers doing this in that photo, but it's east european troops under U.S command in Iraq doing this in that specific photo!

But of course! when that photo was around! all the pro torture people and disinformers come up with crap that it was porn shots!

How stupid can some American fanatics get!

This photo is part of that bunch they now want to suppress! - ask Rummy!

The whole world knows beside from some brainwashed fanatics in the USA!

You know I always used to defend America whatever it was because I have family & friends there.

I have family who fought in your civil war 1861 and WW1 & WW2

I spoke up for America & cousins whenever I could because of this - and I used to love my visits there.

And no one can pull that anti-American crap on me!!

But people like you makes me sometimes wonder If all that was wasted time!


This crap just makes me sad!


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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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I am always right lets see when the pics come out in a couple of weeks or so...I believe you are avoiding reality, how convenient for you

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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 09:19 AM
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There is no world law or treaty that supersedes the Constitution of the Untied States of America. America is an independent and sovereign nation. When will you see that we bow down to no nation, the soldiers who committed crimes were punished according to UCMJ? Again this thread is not in regards to the President Bush and his merry band of thieves so stay on topic.


And as far as the picture, Prove that it is eastren Europe soldiers doing this under American commands to do so.

You say how stupid can American fanatics be? You say Justice and the rul of law will win the day?

I say to you how stupid can they far left fanatics of this nation who want to see America fail be? And the rule of law has one out, The CIA had expressed Permission to conduct these enhanced tactics on the several terrorist by not only The Bush Administration, but also the DOJ and Congress. Not to burst your liberal bubble but no one will be tried for anything not here in the US nor anywhere else in the world.


As an after thought after re reading your post, have you stopped to think that maybe you and the far left people in this country do not look smart to the rest of the world? Oh I am sure the terrorist love you guys, you make it so much easier on them then now know what interrogation tactics to train for, I guarantee that you liberals will be the ones screaming when another terrorist attack hits our soil, but you shouldn’t blame any one but yourselves.
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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 09:21 AM
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This youtube link doest work for me. Why dont you give me a link that proves this is US soldiers.

Anyone can be right in there own little world.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by HulaAnglers
 


This youtube link doest work for me. Why dont you give me a link that proves this is US soldiers.

Anyone can be right in there own little world.



Hello friend! please look at my edited post in the end of what I wrote there please!



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 09:26 AM
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Where is the Proof? Give me a link to a news sources that says this happen not a wiki or you tube link.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
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Where is the Proof? Give me a link to a news sources that says this happen not a wiki or you tube link.


What a hell are you talking about!

I told you It's not American soldiers in that photo of Iraqi woman posted here.

I said they are eastern European troops under U.S command in Iraq.

In THAT specific photo!

WHAT LINKS TO PROVE WHAT??



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 09:37 AM
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Imagine if you had to make that dicision. Either you infuriate a group of violent people who react to pictures because they can't read, or you infuriate people who seek an honest America. I would have a hard time with that one. Let's just say he delayed the release of the photos, which I don't think he should have the power to do. The above photo is porn, posted to insitgate hatred or out of ignorance.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 09:38 AM
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Oh ok, I get it now. You aren't outraged because the photos are classified, and have been prior to Obama's administration by the way, you're outraged because he won't release them so the US can be "shamed". Makes perfect sense to me now.


Do you honestly believe that anything good will come of it if those photos are released? The people responsible have been and are being punished for what they did at Abu Ghraib. Those responsible for the recent events will also be punished if it is decided that what they did is punishable. What else do you want?

Releasing photos won't take it back, it won't make it so it never happened. If anything it will only serve to humiliate the people who were tortured as evidenced by the pic posted in this thread by another poster. It serves no purpose but to humiliate the people who were treated that way. No good will come of releasing them.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 09:39 AM
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Hersh: Children Raped at Abu Ghraib
Pentagon has videos

www.boingboing.net...
From Daily Kos' partial transcript of a video (link to REAL stream) of Seymour Hersh speaking at an ACLU event. He says the US government has videotapes of children being raped at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
" Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."






"Rape is employed as a weapon because it is effective. It destroys the fabric of society from within and does so more efficiently than do guns or bombs."

news.bbc.co.uk... as a weapon of war




Again I have a strong feeling these pics and videos are of sexual assault in nature and yes they should be released. As a victim of Man myself I have no shame and no guilt - just a lot of anger at the covering up, lies and injustice!!!

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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by Chevalerous

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by Chevalerous
 


Where is the Proof? Give me a link to a news sources that says this happen not a wiki or you tube link.


What a hell are you talking about!

I told you It's not American soldiers in that photo of Iraqi woman posted here.

I said they are eastern European troops under U.S command in Iraq.

In THAT specific photo!

WHAT LINKS TO PROVE WHAT??



So I am to believe your word that these are eastern European troops committing this “rape” under American command. I highly doubt that. Where did you get the photo?

Most likely off tube8 or youporn.

How about you tell us where this photo is taking from?



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 09:42 AM
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I told you I you tube is not reliable to me where did you get this PHOTO?


Your creditability is shot, This photos are from a porno, this is not a real women being raped its a porn shot. You are one sick individual to spread this filth and lies. you are no better then George Bush. No soldier wheres the cammo paint on like that, these soliders uniforms do not match and their is no military ensignas on them you are a liar.

www.boston.com...

www.flyertalk.com...

news.bostonherald.com...=27679


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posted on May, 22 2009 @ 09:42 AM
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so if Obama can take credit for "saving lives" he will then be personally responsible for the deaths of anyone involved in his increasing desire to interfere in Afghanistan yes?



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet

Originally posted by Chevalerous

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by Chevalerous
 


Where is the Proof? Give me a link to a news sources that says this happen not a wiki or you tube link.


What a hell are you talking about!

I told you It's not American soldiers in that photo of Iraqi woman posted here.

I said they are eastern European troops under U.S command in Iraq.

In THAT specific photo!

WHAT LINKS TO PROVE WHAT??



So I am to believe your word that these are eastern European troops committing this “rape” under American command. I highly doubt that. Where did you get the photo?

Most likely off tube8 or youporn.

How about you tell us where this photo is taking from?

It is on the Aztlan.com website. Nice eyeliner on the supposed victim, European construction on the room, this was a staged porn.



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