Originally posted by groingrinder
I have seen ufo's all my life and can never document one on film or video or digital stills. It is like they know I have a camera and vamoose before I can use it. I know

Thanks for sharing groingrinder. Yeah that is so frustrating. One night I went out, and down the hill there to the right in my video I set the camera up on a tripod and then walked up the hill. It was moon lite and I thought I might be in the shot, and then the ship would come in an silhouette me. But not, they did not come. 45 minutes of nothing just noise of traffic.

So last night I asked permission. A buddy and I have this banter about UFO's wanting people to take photos, well I am not so sure. I seem to have a problem, even if I take a camera with me. There just is no easy solution, and I think to a point that it might affect why I am there, so that is usually why I go out under the stars, with no technology, evening cell phone.

Two nights ago my buddy saw the ship first, but it was coming head on. So I think that could be a plane and the flashing lights behind. So I wait, and all the sudden it veers and now I see it side on, and it was a nice ship. My buddy had not seen one since his first one in December and this one was not as close as the first one. Soon I will have a better location. I got no car so my travels are limited.

Originally posted by mystiq
who is also an experiencer on Skype, the second day, with a black triangle (so, its either one of ours or connected to our militia), I'd rather not. I am more loyal to them than to the militia and now only tell my friend or write about things, way after the fact.

Well, it is strange you say that. A friend was at a bus stop, and a pilot staying in town on contract, an ex US military pilot claims that we have these new planes here in Canada that are super quiet, and choppers as well, and that he is here training people.

For some reason he really got into it and told about the sounds and technology and said that we have no idea what is out there for planes, and then he jumps on the bus that goes to the local military base, and he was gone.

Hey everyone, I want to thank you for the posts. I don't really want to over manage this thread, but alot of this stuff is direct questions and I cannot resist.

And I like the negative stuff as well, I know the white DOT is not impressing in light of what we have today, but think about it, this ship is right over those cars, you can hear the traffic and people have no idea really.

This is an absolute great video! Thanks so much for making this available to us. I have also had upclose sightings of ufos only within the last year and a half. I had two with in one week back in April 09. I will probably post them to ATS. One of my pictures was used at the Virginia MUFON conference several weeks ago. Keep putting the word out there, it only takes one time of a true sighting to make a believer out of someone.

soulorb. I believe you and have my own experience with such things. But one suggestion I want to make is to ask you whether you would perhaps re-examine the distance/altitude that you believe the ship to be at?

The reason I say that is because your belief it was at 3000ft or lower seems to be a tad low. 3k feet is pretty low, at that point you would be able to see alot of the detail of the ship and unless it's a TINY "ship" (at that point would it really even be called a 'ship' then?) the size of a car. Something hovering at only a few thousand feet would not appear like a tiny dot of light unless the 'ship' as I said were very tiny. My estimation would be that this thing was at least at the 10-15k feet level if not 20-30k+ or more. Do you have any indication or telepathic information regarding the size of their 'light ships?' If they are relatively large then that tiny dot of light would definitely indicate to me a very high altitude of at least 20-40k.

Last question, I think you mentioned that your friend was an air traffic controller? Do you tell him about these experiences and can he corroborate any anomalous radar activity from his station, especially at the given times of when you see the lights?

all i see is a point of light - indeterminate intensity or range

Originally posted by groingrinder
Thanks for taking the time to film the brothers that you met on My Space. Sorry I could not resist.

I feel sorry for anyone trying to document an actual encounter because guys like me will come along and be very skeptical about it.

I have seen ufo's all my life and can never document one on film or video or digital stills. It is like they know I have a camera and vamoose before I can use it. I know they are out there. But what really bothers me is the LARGE number of obvious hoaxes out there. People are just shamelessly hoaxing for YouTube exposure.

I was a witness to several nights of ufo's in the East Mesa Arizona area before the big Phoenix Lights episode. Boy did that excite people around here. About a year later I was driving on the highway 60 and noticed a pattern of lights like the Phoenix Lights in a vee formation. I pulled off the road and got out my binoculars and had a good look. What did I see? I saw flares in formation. You could tell they were flares because there was a big smoke plume rising from each one.

Then there are the idiots who like to fly the Chinese lanterns connected by string or fishing line so they appear to be maneuvering together.

Then there are computer generated UFO hoaxes. I moderate a forum dedicated to modeling in Rhinoceros and one of the members wanted to have a contest to see who could make the best hoaxed UFO scene. I can tell you I was not enthusiastic about that.

I still have not formed an opinion on this video, but you the OP seem like an honest and sincere person. I hope that some fellow ATSer in your area will chip in with a good camera for you and keep you company in your ufo watching endeavor. It is not safe out there alone.

I agree that there are many egotistical people out there who purport hoaxes. It makes it easier to use your higher self (intuition) to discern between the real and fake footage though. I realize that this isn't something a left-brained skeptic wants to hear, but in all honesty, I think it's pretty much the only way to approach this kind of subject until it becomes public knowledge, or until said skeptic sees one for himself. I have come to the conclusion that no matter how convinving a piece of evidence might be, there are always going to be people will doubt. If a huge ship materialized in the sky, there's always going to be someone who will think it's a natural phenomenon that science hasn't discovered. If someone records video of an object making right angle turns, there will always be someone who will tell you it's a camera anamoly. If a person were abducted in living daylight, there will always be someone who will tell them they were simply day dreaming. So, intuition is the key. You store data in your subconscious, and your intuition can look at this data from all angles and come to a very accurate conclusion.

I know several people who have attracted these lightship UFOs through deep meditation. It's a real phenomenon. I believe that this is 100%, real footage, and that Soulorb is being honest & sincere. My intuition has hardly ever been wrong, fyi.

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Debunked as normal every night star.

My first sighting was on a summer afternoon. It was a clear beautiful day. And three silver objects hung in the sky and moved around to form different triangles all together in unison.

Since I've had about 6-7 sightings that I consider very legit. They usually very in shape and color. I just keep my eyes to the heavens.

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Originally posted by groingrinder

I have seen ufo's all my life and can never document one on film or video or digital stills. It is like they know I have a camera and vamoose before I can use it. I know they are out there. .

You took the words right out of my mouth. I have felt this way for a very long time. I have the worst luck with camera's since my sightings have increased and they always show up when I have no means to record them. One of them happened so fast that even if I had a camera I would not have had time to get the shot but it was close went with a few feet of us before shooting up into the sky. That one secured my understanding that they were not manmade once and for all.

But what really bothers me is the LARGE number of obvious hoaxes out there. People are just shamelessly hoaxing for YouTube exposure

and this.. ticks me off just about more than anything else. I cannot even begin to relate how much I despise hoaxers.

Originally posted by rufusdrak
soulorb. I believe you and have my own experience with such things. But one suggestion I want to make is to ask you whether you would perhaps re-examine the distance/altitude that you believe the ship to be at?

Quite possible. However keep in mind camera aspect on those digital when zoomed out is very small. If you said 6000 feet, I could go along with that. It is not 9000 I do not think.

Originally posted by rufusdrak
would be that this thing was at least at the 10-15k feet level if not 20-30k+ or more. Do you have any indication or telepathic information regarding the size of their 'light ships?'

No, no information, however these ones are small ones, I have only had one really large ship, if you said these were like a one man scout ship, I can see that. I sense a individual, versus a group. However the one on December 5th, 2008, was massive in comparison, hundreds of feet.

Originally posted by rufusdrak
Last question, I think you mentioned that your friend was an air traffic controller? Do you tell him about these experiences and can he corroborate any anomalous radar activity from his station, especially at the given times of when you see the lights?

I tried that angle. First he does not believe in UFO's. Second he says that although they can see all objects, there are too many objects to do it that way. They filter the contacts to a small set and follow the ones they want, and the computer drops the ones they are not tracking. So he said he might pick up a flight as it leaves New York, and he only sees the flight as it is handed off to him for arrival in Halifax. Planes next to it he does not see unless they are relevant to his responsibility. That is a laymans perception I guess of what he told me.

Have they told you, "Yes. This is our ship. You are looking at us right now."

Or are you just seeing something in the sky and supposing it is them since you tried to contact them an hour earlier?

This...

Originally posted by Morjit
That airfield has been closed to fixed wing aircraft for at least a year. The airport is a about a 30min drive to the NE.

Seems in direct conflict with this....

Originally posted by SoulOrb
There are many planes a night that go over the location. My buddy is a traffic controller in fact there. The plans have landing lights, and usually are 747's, etc., they usually are above 6000 feet.

However the other night one ship came in right across the front on an approaching plane, the pilot had to see that. They were only about 4 miles apart I would say, 20 seconds, the ship blinked out, and he zoomed in.

I am not trying to nitpick here, I am simply looking for clarification as to what the story is on the airport, since I am not in that area (or country for that matter ). I could try and look up the airport info later if need be, but I just don't have the time today.

Originally posted by Morjit
You can see the planes coming in for landing day and night.

If the airport is closed to “fixed wing” aircraft, then you should not be seeing any planes landing there. That is what I am trying to understand. Aircraft are either "fixed wing" (Planes, Gliders, Ultralights), "rotary wing" (Helicopters), or "lighter then air" (Blimps/Balloons). Do you mean that its closed to commercial traffic, but still open to private, and/or military traffic.

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