Atheist congregation meets every Sunday morning to discuss how they've rejected organized religion , page 10
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reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 06:39 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by TurkeyBurgers



*rolls his eyes*
Say hello to your logical fallacy:

argumentum ad ignorantiam


The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance" [1]), argument by lack of imagination, or negative evidence, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true.

The argument from personal incredulity, also known as argument from personal belief or argument from personal conviction, refers to an assertion that because one personally finds a premise unlikely or unbelievable, the premise can be assumed to be false, or alternatively that another preferred but unproven premise is true instead.

Both arguments commonly share this structure: a person regards the lack of evidence for one view as constituting proof that another view is true. The types of fallacies discussed in this article should not be confused with the reductio ad absurdum method of argument, in which a valid logical contradiction of the form "A and not A" is used to disprove a premise.

SOURCE:en.wikipedia.org...

I really do expect better from a group of people that claim to champion rationality, logic and critical thinking.


reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 07:17 PM by TurkeyBurgers
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows



Watcher perhaps you are misrepresenting my intentions.

To say

"there is no god and I am not willing to accept the possibility of there being one"

is no better than saying

"there is a god and I am not willing to accept the possibility of there not being one"

Would you agree to this?

EITHER way it is a denial of ignorance.

I believe that a person can say

"I believe in or do not believe in BUT I am willing to accept the POSSIBILITY"

And by not saying exactly this is to go against the ATS Motto of

Denying Ignorance


reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 07:24 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by TurkeyBurgers



You did not state your intentions so how can I misrepresent them? You posed a question without stating why you are stating the reasons for said question. I responded accordingly. I have heard the argument before, started just like you posed your questions. So thusly I posted accordingly.
And yes, denying ignorance is a enviable goal, too bad many confuse that with agreeing with them.

Just because there is possibility that those that disagree with you are wrong does not mean your right by default.



reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 07:35 PM by TurkeyBurgers
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows




I asked a question and you misconstrued that as a statement. Or even further you turned my question into my stating an argument. But you are not even addressing the question just trying to tear it down for what reason I have no idea.


reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 07:38 PM by MatrixProphet
reply to post by TurkeyBurgers



"there is a god and I am not willing to accept the possibility of there not being one"

Would you agree to this?

EITHER way it is a denial of ignorance.

I believe that a person can say

"I believe in or do not believe in BUT I am willing to accept the POSSIBILITY"



What is ignorance to you would apply in the sense of total lack of understanding.

Here is the definition of ignorance:

Ignorance: "Lacking in knowledge or learning. Lacking special knowledge or information, uninformed or unaware." - Webster's



One person may be enlightened and not NEED to base their whole lives or philosophies on what someone who is unenlightened doesn't know. Not all of us are codependent.


Some are not ignorant of God because He has made himself known to them. It would be like disowning your parent or grand parent, because they are VERY alive to you. There is no questioning for it is not illusive but is very tangible.

You are ignorant in the existence of God because either God has lost interest in you, or you have blocked him. Either way, it is your choice, your road.


reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 07:43 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by TurkeyBurgers



No, actually, that is not what I am doing. Tell yourself that all you like if you wish. Though I did explain myself rather thoroughly as to what I was doing and to ignore that is your problem.


reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 07:57 PM by MatrixProphet
reply to post by TurkeyBurgers



Then Deny Ignorance means absolutely nothing to you and this website is here for the sole purpose of reaffirming your beliefs NOT challenging them.

*Rolls Eyes*

Welcome to Hell.



I AM showing your ignorance and AM denying it.

You assume you have the measure of what is ignorance, or not?

You assume your way works? I haven't seen any evidence of it!

I don't believe in hell. I am sorry for you.


reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 11:31 AM by teapot
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984



So many assumptions!

Uneducated? If you say so!

Faith is not a religion. It is a matter for the individual.

All organised religions. including atheism, provide 'comfort'. And all are equally flawed. All feed on human insecurity. My faith allows me a level of personal security that means I can live in the world with only a few personal possessions and gives me the courage to challenge atheists to deny they are in league with satan.

For an atheist, you sure seem to know alot about religion!

(Incidently, if a person 'believes' in weightwatchers etc etc, then that is their religion. If they attend every week, obey all the rituals and seek fellowship with other members, then that is their church. If they feel guilty for breaking any of the rules, that is their faith)


reply posted on 27-5-2009 @ 08:27 AM by teapot
reply to post by Daniem





Thank you! This is truly one of the most entertaining and amusing threads I've seen at ATS!!!

The post is about how atheists are meeting on Sunday mornings to discuss how they've rejected organised religion. Any atheist who feels the need to congregate to discuss how God does not exist, is in denial if he thinks he is not religious or does not belong to a church.

As I've never even considered the possibility of pink unicorns, you've provided me with food for thought! I've always believed that ANYTHING that can be imagined in the mind of men, is possible. So, who knows! Perhaps ET, if it exists and plans to visit Earth at any time, will turn out to be pink unicorns!

My beliefs are very personal to me. It is my path. I am not ashamed of it but will not discuss the details as they are personal to me only. You draw too many assumptions from this.

To assume is to be irrational!


reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 07:30 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by teapot


The post is about how atheists are meeting on Sunday mornings to discuss how they've rejected organised religion. Any atheist who feels the need to congregate to discuss how God does not exist, is in denial if he thinks he is not religious or does not belong to a church.


Agreed.
This is a neat 2nd line.
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