How many of you knew that Obama spent time in Pakistan as a young adult? , page 1
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Topic started on 21-5-2009 @ 11:18 PM by finemanm
I am still completely floored that the American people were duped into electing this guy. However, the more I learn about him, the more afraid of him I become.

I bet very few of you knew he spent time in Pakistan when he was in college.

According to his campaign staff, Mr. Obama visited Pakistan in 1981, on the way back from Indonesia, where his mother and half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, were living. He spent “about three weeks” there, Mr. Obama’s press secretary, Bill Burton, said, staying in Karachi with the family of a college friend, Mohammed Hasan Chandoo, but also traveling to Hyderabad, in India.
www.nytimes.com...

If he were not the POTOS, he would be on a "No Fly" list. That’s not it though, there is more...

US Presidential hopeful Barack Obama's mother Ann Dunham may have spent five years in Pakistan, working as an employee of the Asian Development Bank, about 15 years ago.

In a story headlined "Obama's mother stayed in Pakistan for five years", leading Urdu newspaper Daily Waqt reported that Dunham was hired as a consultant by the Asian Development Bank and travelled often from Lahore to Gujranwala.

"Ann Dunham lived in Pakistan for five years. During this time, Barack Obama also visited his mother and stayed for a few months. Ann Dunham was hired as a consultant by the Asian Development Bank for Pakistan's Agricultural Development Bank's Gujranwala Agricultural Development Programme. This programme began in 1987 and ended in 1992," the report said.
www.indianexpress.com...

Okay, so on the one hand, the candidate for president was a POW, a war hero, son of an Admiral in the United States Navy, grandson of an Admiral in the United States Navy, and has served this Country in the Congress for 27 years.

On the other hand is a guy that no one knows anything about. A guy whose father isn't an American, whose mother has spent more time in Muslim nations than in the US, a man who was a member of a radical church, a man who spent time with a domestic terrorist, a man who was running for president longer than he was in the US senate.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Bush or Cheney (for the record, I voted for Gore and then Kerry in 2000 and 2004 respectively), but while this guy spends the next three and a half years destroying this country, I'll have a clear conscience knowing that I voted for the American candidate in 2008.


reply posted on 21-5-2009 @ 11:25 PM by schrodingers dog
reply to post by finemanm



Oh noes, a well traveled president.

One that has actually been to the countries he has to deal with. That crazy lunatic probably took the time to learn their culture. Some say he had curry but I don't believe it.

Nice ...



reply posted on 21-5-2009 @ 11:30 PM by lucidclouds
reply to post by finemanm



What does it matter? Did he spend too much time in another culture? What if it was Britain? Would it make a differance?

I think you should be more worried of the fact that only he and mccain were selected for your vote. They put two people in front of you and said "pick." Thats something to be worried about.

Just for the record I did not vote.

[edit on 21-5-2009 by lucidclouds]

[edit on 21-5-2009 by lucidclouds]


reply posted on 21-5-2009 @ 11:47 PM by Agit8dChop
Originally posted by finemanm
So you have heard this before? Or are you just toeing the party (communist? socialist? fascist?) line?


So,because we arent up in arms that Obama has actually travelled, we must be commies or socialists? is that what your saying here?


Well traveled president, thats funny. Last I checked Hillary Clinton was FAR more well traveled, ohh and she is American.


Last time I checked, Hilary didnt even make it far enough to get elected, pretty sure when she blatantly lied about being under sniperfire, it hurt her chances. Or are you selective on which lies agit8 you?


I have never voted for a republican in my life, I am an educated east coast liberal. But Obama isn't American... I don't even believe he was born in the US.


Of the thousand threads debating this, im yet to actually see proof.
If you so educated, why do you say i have to be a communist or socialist if I dont get angry over this?

I think that he has very strong Muslim ties.

Why? Why does he have muslim ties?

Because he spent 21 days in Pakistan?
Is this why you believe he should be in the no fly list?
didnt you mention something above about educated?


I think the People of the US voted for him because they were so feed up by the crooks called Republicans. I think CNN and MSNBC are his propaganda machines and I believe that he is trying to be the LAST president of the fromerly United States.


I agree, the entire country, slash that.. WORLD was sick to death of the criminal republicans, that snoopy the dog could of been running and beaten the republicans. .. but you seem to believe Mccain was the be all and save all?



Look mate,
Personally, Obama hasnt lived up to his promises. I agree, but compared to Bush? hes a friggen god.
Now, im all for exposing these criminals like you, but when people use such stupid reasoning and material to try and paint this poster boy as a puppet, it does nothing but strengthen his standing.

Your trying to have us believe, Obama is a muslim, who sympathises with pakistani terrorists, while being born outside the US and having terrorist parents because they stayed in Pakistan all because

he

spent


21 days in pakistan, to see a college friend.

[edit on 21-5-2009 by Agit8dChop]


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 01:14 AM by HowlrunnerIV
Originally posted by finemanm
I am still completely floored that the American people were duped into electing this guy. However, the more I learn about him, the more afraid of him I become.

I bet very few of you knew he spent time in Pakistan when he was in college.

He spent “about three weeks” there...but also traveling to Hyderabad, in India.


If he were not the POTOS, he would be on a "No Fly" list. That’s not it though, there is more...


What? For spending less than a month there in 1981? Hello? 1981? Do you remember WTF you were doing in 1981? Do you know, or have you bothered to find out, what the US was doing in Pakistan in 1981?

OMG if it wasn't exactly what they're doing now...funneling weapons through there to Afghanistan...

How about all those embassy types who spent YEARS in Pakistan? Should they be on "No Fly" lists as well?

Christ, but you don't know squat about the world, do you?

How about the fact that he travelled from Pakistan to India? Do you know anything about the relationship between these two countries.

US Presidential hopeful Barack Obama's mother Ann Dunham may have spent five years in Pakistan, working as an employee of the Asian Development Bank, about 15 years ago.


A decade and a half ago. Do you know what was happening in Pakistan then? Do you even know the name of the capital of Pakistan?

On the other hand is a guy that no one knows anything about. A guy whose father isn't an American,


Oh, My, God! How could those Californians have elected a man who wasn't even born in the US, whose father was a Nazi, who doesn't even sound American? Traitors, I tell you.

whose mother has spent more time in Muslim nations than in the US,


And whom he did not live with. Did you forget that rather pertinent fact, or was it more convenient never to learn that he grew up in Hawaii raised by his WHITE grandparents?

a man who was running for president longer than he was in the US senate.


Quick, nobody mention JFK...

but while this guy spends the next three and a half years destroying this country, I'll have a clear conscience knowing that I voted for the American candidate in 2008.


Of course you have a clear consience, ignorance is bliss.

I am still waiting to be convinced by Obama, but already he has proven himself to be the superior of Bush. The only success Bush had in his first 100 days was thanks to the lucky happenstance of an important senate vote which took Cheney out of the White House just after a stupid Chinese pilot decided to demonstrate his country's might.

Thereby leaving Colin Powell to handle the Foreign Policy. Just like his job description said.

But never let all the facts get in the way of your shrill ranting...

Do you know anything about a man named Zalmay Khalilzad?


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 05:18 AM by DrMattMaddix
reply to post by HowlrunnerIV



Okay, so they have weak arguments in your mind...

Lets put our past in our behinds and MoveOn.org shall we?...

Dig these up and you will have the undying gratitude of the entire United States; I # you not...

This was his first act as president.
Executive Order 13489

Impressed yet?

These are the documents he is hiding... (otherwise known as absolutely blocking from everyone. I'm amazed that the entire country isn't furious over these little known facts.)

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certificate of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released — Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama’s terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None


“On May 9, 2009, the American Grand Jury met and, after reviewing the evidence presented, indicted Barak Obama, aka Barry Soetoro for fraud and treason. Wednesday, May 13, 2009, the indictment was filed with the Clerk of Court, Catawba County, NC (file #09R81) and a copy of the indictment was sent by Certified Mail to District Attorney James C. Gaither (NC District 25B), for further action according to his Oath of Office.”


You bet he has other legal issues with lawsuits that are demanding answers and he has merely days left to respond to these indictments that include top ranking DNC members are named and having to answer by beginning of June.

Now, I'm going to go have a smoke and look at Venus; Beautiful planet in the morning.


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 11:13 AM by finemanm
Okay, lets discuss what some of us are saying.

lucidclouds said:


What does it matter? Did he spend too much time in another culture? What if it was Britain? Would it make a differance?


In 1981 Pakistan was under Martial Law
1 and in the midst of dealing with the Afgan-soviet war. Going to Pakistan then was much like going to Pakistan now. I don't think it’s a popular tourist destination. It’s not like going to see Big Ben or Parliament.

schrodingers dog said:


Manchuria is at the Russia/China border not Pakistan.


You have been to the movies in the past decade?

The 2004 version of the movie:

When his army unit was ambushed during the first Gulf War, Sergeant Raymond Shaw saved his fellow soldiers just as his commanding officer, then-Captain Ben Marco, was knocked unconscious. Brokering the incident for political capital, Shaw eventually becomes a vice-presidential nominee, while Marco is haunted by dreams of what happened -- or didn't happen -- in Kuwait. As Marco (now a Major) investigates, the story begins to unravel, to the point where he questions if it happened at all. Is it possible the entire unit was kidnapped and brainwashed to believe Shaw is a war hero as part of a plot to seize the White House? Some very powerful people at Manchurian Global corporation appear desperate to stop him from finding out.
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Agit8dChop said:


Why? Why does he have muslim ties?


You are kidding right? In BHO's own words:

My father was almost entirely absent from my childhood, having been divorced from my mother when I was 2 years old; in any event, although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist, thinking religion to be so much superstition.
3

From the liberal Washington Post:

Since declaring his candidacy for president in February, Obama, a member of a congregation of the United Church of Christ in Chicago, has had to address assertions that he is a Muslim or that he had received training in Islam in Indonesia, where he lived from ages 6 to 10. While his father was an atheist and his mother did not practice religion, Obama's stepfather did occasionally attend services at a mosque there.
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Is this really the first time you are hearing that Mr. Obama has been surrounded by Islam all his life? If he was honest about his beliefs, then so be it. I believe that most people of the Muslim faith are good, peaceful people. I also believe that the most dangerous people in the world are people who believe that Islam calls for Jihad against all non-believers. I think it is relevant what the President believes.

If it’s not a big deal, why was it hidden so deeply by the MSM. If you sad these things during the campaign, you were a racist, now if you disagree with him or challenge his qualifications, you are a racist. I see a pattern emerging.

HowlrunnerIV said:


How about all those embassy types who spent YEARS in Pakistan? Should they be on "No Fly" lists as well?

Christ, but you don't know squat about the world, do you?

How about the fact that he travelled from Pakistan to India? Do you know anything about the relationship between these two countries.

**snip**

A decade and a half ago. Do you know what was happening in Pakistan then? Do you even know the name of the capital of Pakistan?


Firstly, he wasn't a US diplomat. He was a college student from a crappy California College on his way to Columbia University (how did that happen?).

As a freshman, he quickly became friends with Mohammed Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, two wealthy Pakistanis.

**snip**

When Obama arrived in New York, he already knew Siddiqi - a friend of Chandoo's and Hamid's from Karachi who had visited Los Angeles.
5

And to answer your other question... hmmm...the capital of Pakistan is ISLAMabad?

My point is that he got elected through fraud, just like Bush was appointed by the Supreme Court after stealing the Florida election, this guy hid his history from the American people and was installed to dismantle this country.

He is not the savior you have all been waiting for. I have never seen a candidate for president before that so little was known about him before he got elected. Its like his life was a big secret. Doesn't that scare you?


reply posted on 22-5-2009 @ 11:25 AM by ChrisF231
reply to post by Agit8dChop


Because American citizens were not allowed to travel to Pakistan in 1981, this was around the same time the Pakistani govt. stood by and let a mob attack the US Embassy in Islamabad and then burn down the building and pick off a US Marine guard and let them rip apart 2 other Americans like a band of savages.
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