reply to post by marg6043
Originally posted by marg6043
While I have not problem with the census and I always fill out what I feel I should the rest I write none of your business.
Which is perfectly reasonable. From what I remember of the last census most of the questions were completely optional. The only real requirement was
how many people lived in the house I was in. I could not agree more about filling in N/A or none of your business on the rest.
This take over of GPSing by the Federal government and not conducted by the Commerce Department needs more scrutiny.
Again I agree, anything the government changes should be looked at in great detail the last 30 years has seen a marked increase in the fascist
policies by our government.
While the commerce department would have a more legitimate use for a detailed GPS map of the United States. There are of course those pesky national
security concerns, that the (BS) DHS consistently remind us of.
And that this is in the hands of a man that his past ridden by very undesirable acts should make everybody be aware of who are the people
that are in positions of power in our government.
Can you find one man (or woman) that has not committed undesirable acts?
The man can easily be tagged a Nazi ideas supporter
The Pope? I thought we were talking about Rhom Emanuel. Man I was way off.
I like your argument on this matter, it's informed, insightful and a wee bit pragmatic.
I disagree with aspects. But your points are at least valid. But here is the difference.
I am not sure why anyone would care that someone takes a GPS reading of their front door. If it was for illegitimate purposes, An electric company or
gas survey or water survey crew could preform the duty much more efficiently and without much notice by the public.
How often do you question a man in a hard hat holding a clipboard?
Yes it is information. But what real use is it anyway? It's a set of coordinates. Maybe elevation. What if it was a person from the USGS that was
preforming the survey? Would it raise any attention? If they could convince you to let them take these numbers? If they could what guarantee would you
have that they wouldn't just put it up for every alphabet soup agency to scrutiny?
And what information does that give them anyway? A set of numbers? With no name to associate it with?
If you did research on Google Earth you could find the spot on the map but you can't be sure who lives there. How often do people change residencies?
The data would be outdated nearly instantly. It would be rife with errors anyway by inept census takers that can't quite grasp the idea of how to use
With the housing crisis as it is nowadays who is to say that when all is said and done all properties across the United States wouldn't be tagged.
How many vacant houses have you seen crop up? What useful data could the government glean from that statistic?
Think of this however. FEMA (yea I know FEMA) responds to a disaster, a neighborhood is completely devastated by a natural disaster. You are trapped
alive in the wreckage of your former home. First responders at the scene have this data to go on. Now they know that at least there was a front door
here. They won't be digging around at your back porch. Your life may be saved simply by the fact that the firemen at the scene knew where your house
used to be.
Again I say accurate data is good.
With all the freedoms we have lost over the years the Census and GPS data to me seems to be the least worthwhile cause to fight.
The census is a patriotic duty. Written into the constitution by our founding fathers. As a citizen it is your obligation to submit a tiny bit of
information to the government. Today you already give out more sensitive information to people over the phone. You already give out more sensitive
information over the internet.
I object more to fingerprinting than I do a GPS tag.
Remember you are not your house. You are not your job etc...
And not to burst anyone's bubble here but most of you aren't worth the government's time. Sorry but your not that important. I know I most
certainly am not worth the government's time.
Also remember that this is a government operation. Chances are good that the people working this won't give a rats bung hole whether they tag your
front door or not. They are collecting a paycheck, that's all. You could give plausible reasonable answers and not tell them a dang thing. Like they
are going to care.
Just trying to interject some realism into the discussion.
Marg, again you make valid points. Your argument is reasonable and intelligent and it is a pleasure to discuss this with you. Thank you.
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