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Facebook refuses to ban all Holocaust-denial groups

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posted on May, 20 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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Facebook refuses to ban all Holocaust-denial groups


www.ajn.com.au

Facebook is facing mounting criticism in Australia and overseas after refusing to ban Holocaust-denial groups from its site.

Despite international pressure calling for the popular website to block Holocaust-denial groups, Facebook said it does not take down groups that “speak out against countries, political entities, or ideas”.

The popular site, however, has recently begun to remove Holocaust-denial content in countries such as Israel and Germany, where Holocaust denial is illegal.
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posted on May, 20 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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It's not until the very end of the article that the treat appears prophetic.


Looking ahead, Dr Oboler said most likely it will take government legislation to block online hate in user-generated content.

“The clock is slowly ticking,” Dr Oboler said. “If it doesn’t come from within Facebook, it’s going to come through government and be taken out of their hands.”


With this said, i am reminded of a scary report by Paul Craig Roberts - Reagan's Assistant Secretary of the Treasury


On October 16, 2004, President George W. Bush signed the Israel Lobby's bill, the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act. This legislation requires the US Department of State to monitor anti-semitism world wide.

To monitor anti-semitism, it has to be defined. What is the definition? Basically, as defined by the Israel Lobby and Abe Foxman, it boils down to any criticism of Israel or Jews.

Rahm Israel Emanuel hasn't been mopping floors at the White House.
As soon as he gets the Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 passed, it will become a crime for any American to tell the truth about Israel's treatment of Palestinians and theft of their lands.


... i'm sure this will include any questioning of the holocaust's "official story"

www.ajn.com.au
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 20-5-2009 by The All Seeing I]



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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I think Holocaust denyers are the stupidest people on the face of the earth, however they have the right to assemble and form a community as long as it doesn't directly hurt or infringe on anyone else. They have this right just like any other group of people whether in be in real life or in cyberspace. Good on Facebook for sticking up for these peoples rights (even if they're idiotic) and shame on anyone who wants to suppress. They're idiocy is all the discrimination that's needed, and they don't need the extra attention. This is rather refreshing to have a online mogul actually sticking up for rights rather than bending over backwards at the slightest request (I'm looking at you google, yahoo, and microsoft)

[edit on 20-5-2009 by CuriousSkeptic]



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 07:40 PM
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I think Facebook is right to not remove the groups. Not that I support them in any way, the holocaust was a horrible thing to which we should all remember.

However, we have the right to free speech in this country and if we can bash Muslims at every turn in our media, I don't see why Jews get a carte blanche.

~Keeper



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 07:52 PM
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I agree with keeper...freespeech is what made our countries good.
I can say what I want when I want.
I have my own views on the holocaust and like it when i am free enough to say what they are without government prosecution.
Screw big brother!!!



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 08:03 PM
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Im going to have to say I agree. Even though they just might be stupid. Everyone has the right to form opinions and if thats their opinion, then so be it. It would be absurb to ban the group. Come on now. I thought everyone had free speech.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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I whole heartedly support this decision.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 08:10 PM
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Looking ahead, Dr Oboler said most likely it will take government legislation to block online hate in user-generated content.

“The clock is slowly ticking,” Dr Oboler said. “If it doesn’t come from within Facebook, it’s going to come through government and be taken out of their hands.”



This is honestly frightening.

So this is how free speech dies. While holocaust deniers may be hateful, ignorant and possibly mentally challenged, they deserve every right to assemble peaceably as guaranteed by the Constitution (this is of course based on the fact that Facebook was created and is run out of the U.S.).

Their message may be misguided, but as soon as we ban some speech, all speech is open to be banned, and that is how our 1st amendment rights will be dissolved.

Frightening indeed.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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I also support facebook for allowing the Holocaust deniers their say.

I fail to see how denying the Holocaust constitutes "hate." After all, many who discuss the Holocaust tend to forget that it wasnt the Jews alone who were targeted or suffered. If it is "hate" to deny or ignore the Jewish tragedy, then surely it would have to be "hate" to decline to also mention all the others who suffered along with them, and we dont commonly accept that it is "hateful" to make movies about the Jewish portion of the Holocaust and never mention the Soviets, or Poles, or others in said movie.

en.wikipedia.org...


Some scholars maintain that the definition of the Holocaust should also include the Nazis' systematic murder of millions of people in other groups, including ethnic Poles, the Romani, Soviet civilians, Soviet prisoners of war, people with disabilities, gay men, and political and religious opponents,[3] which would bring the total number of Holocaust victims to between 11 million and 17 million people.[4]


So while I myself do not think that the "holocaust" (regardless whom you agree should be included in that term) is made up, I also believe that another human being has the right to say, "I didnt see it, and I dont believe it happened."

It may not be reasonable in my opinion to say that, in light of all the evidence, but it is the right of a person to say "unless I see it personally, I do not believe it" and there are famous philosophical arguments that support that position. (The position that if you yourself do not have first hand knowledge you cannot "know" something, not the position that the Holocaust is a myth.)

And it is nice to see a company actually adhere to principle rather than bow to political correctness.

[edit on 20-5-2009 by Illusionsaregrander]



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 08:22 PM
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Yeah I agree with this. They're idiots for denying it. (I've had the chance to meet a Holocaust survivor) But they have a right to deny it, because there is free speech.


The real test of free speech comes when you don't like what the other person says.

Though facebook does have a right to remove them if they so desire, since it is their business. Good for them siding with free speech.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 10:06 PM
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As far as I can tell it's freedom of speech. You don't see anyone saying Pro Israel sites are bad, so why remove sites that speak out against Israel?

It's just more Israeli propaganda to try and control the world, and they'll fail.

They are NOT God's chosen people, and it's just a facade that they use to cover up their war crimes just like any other nation.

If people don't like the groups on Facebook, then either don't look at them, or don't sign up for Facebook. It's as easy as that.

You don't see people complaining over degrading porn material such as fat porn, midget porn, etc. so why remove groups that QUESTION our reality?

Can you really prove that the Holocaust happened EXACTLY as the Jews say it did? No, you can't. There's always more to the story than the one told.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 10:12 PM
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Of course these groups are wrong. But if they banned them, they might have to ban the Communist group, too. And then I'd be really mad.

But I don't know, are there Nazi groups on Facebook? KKK?

Never bothered to check.

[edit on 5/20/2009 by ravenshadow13]



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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I don't see what all the fuss is about, as Face book, My Space and Twitter is the most heavily monitored social networks to date. After that, there are several thousand irc channels and a few msn accounts that have raised flags in the past.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 10:41 PM
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Interesting to see so many have used "stupid" to describe "Holocaust Deniers". Being that most of those who are labeled as such are not denying the holocaust at all, but only questioning the numbers, methods and motives... this is simply a sophomoric character assassination attempt; similar to calling jews who question israel's intentions, as "Self-Hating Jews" or calling non-jews who question israel's intentions as "Anti-Semites". These are manipulative thought control manoeuvres... and i would venture to say that it is "stupid" to fall for them.

If this doesn't make any sense to you... then read Trauma's post, he does an excellent job of setting the record straight on this matter.

[edit on 20-5-2009 by The All Seeing I]



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 07:51 AM
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facebook wont ban the dead baby joke groups either , yet i don`t see that making national headlines



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 08:00 AM
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Isn't that kind of like facebook being in denial that there are holocaust deniers out there.
The best way to combat such groups is to engage them, learn about them and the people who accept these beliefs.
Banning them makes them look like they might actually have something to say and reinforces a belief that there is some sort of Pro Jewish bias out there out to silence them.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 08:05 AM
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I've seen some pretty compelling evidence to suggest that, while the holocaust was of course a terrible thing, it was not just Jews that died in massive numbers, so stop f-ing bleating on about it. You don't hear about all the Poles and Roma who were massacred, for example.

Grow up, Israel, and perhaps the world won't be sick of hearing about it. You got your own country, and you get to shove it in the Muslim's collective faces, so now just give it a freaking rest...



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 08:10 AM
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Facebook will be hacked my Jewish hackers very shortly.

The Jew is working hard to stop all criticism of the Jew state!



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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First of All you can not be anti-semitism by calling out the so called jews. The defintion for semitic is afro-asiatic language and cultures consisting of Hebrew, arabic and amarhic. So what does that mean it means that the dam so called jews stloe something from the afro asiatic people of this planet and said that it was them or theirs. So if they are lieing about thier culture and they know that there culture came form the SO called Black Man. Then why would they not lie about the holocast. Point im making is that they stole from the so called black so they have to keeping lying and manipulating the system so the can stay in the power seat they are in. So my advice once again to all ats'ers studying african history if you want real answers.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 11:41 AM
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I don't think Facebook should remove the groups, however I do think Holocaust deniers are absurd. The only thing that worries me (and people who use Facebook can vouche for this) is that some people just join groups because they are invited. Some friends that I know just accept all group invitations without reading the causes. I feel that the numbers in these Holocaust denier groups could be much higher for that reason.



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