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Woman cuffed for not holding escalator handrail

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posted on May, 20 2009 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by elevatedone
As always... more to the story...


Ms. Kosoian, who grew up in Georgia when it was still part of the Soviet Union, says she didn't catch the officer's instruction to hold the rail when he first approached.

When he told her again to hang on, she says she replied, “I don't have three hands.” Besides, she had been sick and feared catching a new bug.

That's when the officer demanded identification so he could write her ticket, she said.

Ms. Kosoian started arguing. The officers handcuffed her and threw her into a small holding cell. The officers searched her bag and gave her a $100 ticket for failing to hold the banister and another $320 ticket for obstruction.



She resisted.

Once she heard what the officer said, she should have said.

"Yes, sir, I'll hold on" and then reach out and hang on to the rail. Nothing more, nothing less.

She resisted and got detained for it and then ticketed.

The problem here isn't with the police officer, it's with the silly law that is in place.



I wouldn't exactly call saying "I don't have three hands" resisting.

What are we supposed to be so automated and non individualized that if an officer suggests something and we have something to say to rebutt it that we are resisting???

Come on now, is there not enough crime in this country that we have to harrass people for not using handrails???

Geez, talk about domination.

I guess they need more flouride in that woman's water~

Resistance is futile~~~




posted on May, 20 2009 @ 07:20 PM
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reply to post by Illuminatus I
 


Actually, yes I have seen someone fall on an escalator a few times. And each time someone was being careless. So b/c of this, we should create a law to protect everyone from the few careless people? Should we install seats and seatbelts on escalators now? It's an escalator, not an airplane, bus, trolly, etc. And for the people that may be harmed from someone being careless, someone could trip and fall into you on a sidewalk!



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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And you know what is really funny?

There are no seatbelts on school buses! At least in my "neck of the woods"
which is actually a pretty popularized area!

Go figure~




posted on May, 20 2009 @ 07:57 PM
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Well if this happened to me there would be only one obvious solution

To come back late that night when no one is around

and leave a big Giant Turd on the railing so when they start it up it gets caught in the machinery and it smears all up the hand hold

You can be quite certain that law would not be enforced again that day




Problem is, people aren't used to civil disobedience in daily life... try and make all this fit in and do their best and then are shocked when it's impossible to please these nit wits...

When i'm on an escalator... my only concern is how i do that foot trick at the bottom that makes it stop

(yes, if you jam your heel in between step and wall at bottom the escalator will stop) (no one ever figures out it's me)

and everyone behind me has to walk and complain... and it keeps the store goonms busy for like 20 minutes or so till they figure it out

Yes

I also have an ol clie peg with a universal remote that allows me to change channels on just about any tv or monitor...

Not a sports bar is spared

Not a display screen continues to throw it's ads at me

being totally truthful... I stop all escalators I walk on, I shut every tv broadcasting stuff at me i don't want to hear

whatever keeps them busy

not because i'm going to do anything wrong... I just like to annoy them and keep them busy

This womens issue is that she is trying to appease the goons at the mall


Here are the rules

If approached by security... cough, sneeze... pass wind, make them not want to stand near you

If they cuff you for no reason... take a dump right on the spot, say they scared you....then sue them, for mental compensation as well

immediately claim your having a heart attack... make them call an ambulance not squad car then bill them for it...

but make their job unpleasant

You think mall security ever figures out who's shutting off the TVs... LOL, nope, these are dumb guys


All sorts of ways to keep them busy

If I go in a store and see security... I ask them to go get me something I need, just cus I don't like them looking at me... all sorts of ways...

this poor lady needs to learn to throw the monkey wrench at em before they bother her not after



I walked out of my house zooted just the other day and there were like 15 cops... some dude had just robbed a bank and I opened the door not knowing and it smelled like weed

I said

Hey... did you get that guy smoking weed in the alley?

and they all ran... rifles and all to go look for him... (me) lol

benefits of looking like a square on purpose... I'd thank Bob Dobs for that trick...


and yeah... i'm 38 not 18, but It's the little things in life that make the fight, not some giant rebellion or other dumb thing that gets you killed



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 08:15 PM
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Kudos for the best post all month!

Like they say...........

A good defense is the best offense!!!


Life is a game..............

Play it!!!



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 08:45 PM
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No surprise this happened in Laval, a boring and extremely unattractive suburb north of Montreal. This "law" is not enforced in the city of Montreal because city police officers have better things to do with their time than babysit the public.

I don't think this cop was too bright. He should have realized that most Montrealer's have excellent balance due to the fact that they spend six months out of the year navigating snow and ice covered pavement. Yeah, it's OK to walk with no means of support outside on an icy sidewalk, slip, fall and bust your head wide open...but it's NOT OK to travel on a sure footed slow moving escalator without holding the handle.

Knowing Montrealer's, expect some backlash on this one - the story is already all around town.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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"This is Quebec after all, and you know those French folks. They always obey any law they pass."

I really do not understand this comment which was previously made. First of all, there are not only French folks in Quebec, there are English, Italian, Greek, Lebanese, Chinese and pretty much every other nationality on this planet.

What does being French have to do with obeying laws? There are people in every nationality who obey laws, just like there are people in every nationality who do not obey laws. Equating a person's lawfulness to their ethnicity is peculiar, to say the least.

[edit on 20-5-2009 by SphinxMontreal]



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by Mudman21
reply to post by Illuminatus I
 


Actually, yes I have seen someone fall on an escalator a few times. And each time someone was being careless. So b/c of this, we should create a law to protect everyone from the few careless people? Should we install seats and seatbelts on escalators now? It's an escalator, not an airplane, bus, trolly, etc. And for the people that may be harmed from someone being careless, someone could trip and fall into you on a sidewalk!


Apparently, people can get brain damage from reading my previous post!

Everyone can get injured one way or another, isn't that the truth!



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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And if the escalator stopped or malfunctioned? Well, you just continue to "hold on" until help arrives!

This was a joke until it became evident that "authority" supercedes common sense.

sad.

jw


[edit on 21-5-2009 by jdub297]



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by Illuminatus I
 

And if the escalator stopped or malfunctioned? Well, you just continue to "hold on" until help arrives!
This was a joke until it became evident that "authority" supercedes common sense.
sad.

jw

[edit on 21-5-2009 by jdub297]


I ride a motorcycle daily and not all traffic lights are tripped by it, so I find myself sitting at lights until I get impatient and go on through. I have often wondered what will happen when I finally get pulled over for this.

I have seen people sit at a malfunctioning light for very long times, and I always have to laugh. I wonder just how long some of them would sit there, if nobody came along and noticed the dilemma and went on through as an example?

There are plenty of blonde jokes regarding the above escalator situation, but I guess they aren't funny anymore if they are just following the law!



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by Illuminatus I
 

And if the escalator stopped or malfunctioned? Well, you just continue to "hold on" until help arrives!

This was a joke until it became evident that "authority" supercedes common sense.

sad.

jw


[edit on 21-5-2009 by jdub297]


Wouldn't you know it! My post really does cause brain damage!

"I like an escalator because an escalator can never break. It can only become stairs. You would never see an "Escalator temporarily out-of-order" sign. Just "Escalator temporarily stairs. Sorry for the convenience." We apologize for the fact that you can still get up there"



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by Illuminatus I
 

And if the escalator stopped or malfunctioned? Well, you just continue to "hold on" until help arrives!
This was a joke until it became evident that "authority" supercedes common sense.
sad.

jw

[edit on 21-5-2009 by jdub297]


I ride a motorcycle daily and not all traffic lights are tripped by it, so I find myself sitting at lights until I get impatient and go on through. I have often wondered what will happen when I finally get pulled over for this.

I have seen people sit at a malfunctioning light for very long times, and I always have to laugh. I wonder just how long some of them would sit there, if nobody came along and noticed the dilemma and went on through as an example?


They aren't really malfunctioning. There are optical and magnetically driven lights, but it sounds like you are dealing with magnetic driven. Near stop lights, on the road, there are inductive loops of wire, covered by some type of synthetic cement compound. Your motorcycle doesn't change the electromagnetic frequency around these loops enough for them to detect you because your model of motorcycle isn't conductive enough.

What you need to do is get some powerful magnets, like neodymium magnets. If you have an extra/dead hard drive laying around, you can get a magnet out of there. Take these and duct tape them to the bottom of your motorcycle.

They sell them too if you'd rather get a prepackaged one:

www.amazon.com...

The people who say they don't work are of course attempting to drive through optically driven traffic lights or lights on a simple timer.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 03:50 PM
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Thanks for the advice. I knew about the "toroid" device that regulates stoplights, as well as the optical one. I did not know that a magnet would make enough difference, but I will try it. The optical ones can sometimes be activated by flashing your bright lights, they have a built in sensor for the "strobe" of emergency vehicles (particularly Firetrucks).

The malfunctioning ones I spoke of are a different animal. Just last week, I was third in line at a neighborhood light. Something had been going on at the highschool, but it was over. I assume they had programmed the light to expedite traffic after the event, and never reprogrammed it. After several minutes, I pulled out and checked the intersection and then went around. After that, the whole line started going. It has happened plenty of times before, but I really wonder how long it would take if no one made the first move?!?



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 06:08 PM
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"I like an escalator because an escalator can never break. It can only become stairs. You would never see an "Escalator temporarily out-of-order" sign. Just "Escalator temporarily stairs. Sorry for the convenience." We apologize for the fact that you can still get up there"

Man, I really miss Mitch Hedberg. He was to me one of the funniest comedians of his time.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 06:29 PM
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I never hold the handrails, I saw a program once where they tested to see what was one them.
Sperm, feces, flesh eating bacteria, you name it.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by DraconianKing
I never hold the handrails, I saw a program once where they tested to see what was one them.
Sperm, feces, flesh eating bacteria, you name it.


If I saw you not holding onto the handrail, I would personally give you a citation and fine you...

If you talked back to me, I would fine you again!



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Illuminatus I

If you talked back to me, I would fine you again!


Ultimate power is very seductive isn't it?

I suppose the proper response would be to lower your head and mumble

"yes suh, boss, anything you say boss, okay boss"



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by interestedalways

Originally posted by Illuminatus I

If you talked back to me, I would fine you again!


Ultimate power is very seductive isn't it?

I suppose the proper response would be to lower your head and mumble

"yes suh, boss, anything you say boss, okay boss"


Hey, talk back to the Mods on ATS about the rules and you get fined.

Talk back to the police/security people about the rules and you get fined.

You think you can just go around breaking rules? You like to test the limits of the system?

Prepare to get fined.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by Illuminatus I

Hey, talk back to the Mods on ATS about the rules and you get fined.

Talk back to the police/security people about the rules and you get fined.

You think you can just go around breaking rules? You like to test the limits of the system?

Prepare to get fined.



To create a law is to create a crime. She wasn't exactly talking back, IMO.

Besides, one should be able to voice an opinion without being fined.

No I don't think I get to go around breaking rules without consequence, but I also think many abuse power over others and I don't like it.

Not that it matters what I like, but at least here I CAN voice that opinion.

Nothing wrong with a little bit of showing compassion for your fellow man in this world is there?

I mean c'mon, we are talking about a handrail here.

People aren't suppose to take strollers on escalators and they do it all the time, I think that is far more dangerous, but even in that kind of a case I think a warning would suffice.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 08:57 PM
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I was at the train station and I saw a sign that read 'Please use the foot bridge to cross the tracks' when I got to the other side I saw another sign saying the same thing.... I was there all flipping day



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