It it blatant that it was staged, but this won't change anything. The majority of the population could never allow themselves to believe such a thing. It's a physical impossibility because to do so... well they would literally implode.

It's a matter a personal perception, isn't it kidney thief? To me you sound like a bit of a jerk whereas he sounds like an honest, intelligent gentleman eloquently relating the shock and confusion of the day and several anomalies which made a strong impression upon him.

I'm not saying you are a jerk - that's just my subjective reaction to the way you express yourself. Shall we return to the topic and quit insulting each other and those whose message we don't wish to hear?



[edit on 21-5-2009 by EvilAxis]

I just didn't know where to post my outrage!

I am listening to Cheney sit on National Television using 9/11 as a damned prop in his pitiful argument to justify his love for torture. I hate this govt!

Originally posted by EvilAxis
It's a matter a personal perception, isn't it kidney thief? To me you sound like a bit of a jerk whereas he sounds like an honest, intelligent gentleman eloquently relating the shock and confusion of the day and several anomalies which made a strong impression upon him.

I'm not saying you are a jerk - that's just my subjective reaction to the way you express yourself. Shall we return to the topic and quit insulting each other and those whose message we don't wish to hear?


Edited to ask: Eloquent???? there wasnt a single eloquent sentence in that interview. The last quote he said made me laugh the hardest... doubly so when you claim he is eloquent.
[edit on 21-5-2009 by EvilAxis]

your perception is spot on, my friend, hence that is why i said i was taking the time to talk like a jerk, and point out that i found the interview hilarious.

Back to the thread though, to me, like all of you, i find it highly important to question everything that we are told, especially about 9/11. This list will prove to be interesting once these people's individual messages are taken more seriously by those who either dont care or think about 911, or just accept the story.
There was a lady who is uing the BUsh administration for their lack of preparedness for the strike against the pentagon, because i believe she lost a daughter in the accident if i recall? I am curious where she would fit in with this list

[edit on 21-5-2009 by kidney thief]

Originally posted by king9072
Honestly, there is nothing I wait for with more anticipation than the day that the entire thing is blown wide open and it becomes common knowledge that the government did this.

Then, every ignorant fool on this forum who whole-heartedly touted the official story and argued it to the death should be banned because they must be absolutely brain dead.

It takes common sense to have common knowledge.

The real conspiracy is the education system.

The average American couldn't even consider the possibility of the important adult leaders doing anything like this.

This happened more than 7 years ago...

They won...it worked...we really are that stupid and naive...

[edit on 21-5-2009 by Jezus]

Originally posted by Jezus
They won...it worked...we really are that stupid and naive...

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

People here have and are showing that it WON'T go away...we won't let it.

41 highly educated and professional people are standing tall against the tragic deception of not just the U.S. but the whole world.

Tommorrow...42, and the day after that...43, etc, etc....

Don't accept the passive and easy stance, don't roll over and be content to have your belly tickled..speak out for what you believe.

Like you say, education IS the key, be a teacher and help switch on the light, open the door and help others guide themselves along the path.

I still talk about 9/11 to friends, family and even strangers on occasion and usually end up walking away knowing I have helped them question the events of that day. I never tell them "that's what happened" or "because I say so" but offer them new perspectives to learn for themselves (often pointing them to the ATS 9/11 forum). The hardest thing to deal with though is the apathy...it's a real downer when someone just doesn't care. All part and parcel of living in a world where looking after yourself is all some folks can think about. "I'm alright jack"!

Won't stop me trying to convince someone how important the matter IS....not WAS.

Strength in numbers...."one of US".

How exhuasting.

Honestly I do not accept the "official story" as given truth, but it's hard to find merit in the "truthers" perspective when every time I open one of these threads any and all polite questioning of the idea that 9-11 was an inside job is met with name calling and general BS.

Can someone give me simple, logical facts that can be examined that support the "inside job" theorey? ...without the defensiveness and wacked out responses?

Just offer up two or threee concise scientific/factual items that truthers feel makes the case.

Simply saying it was an inside job does not make it so.

Yes our government is capable of cover-ups and attrocities...that does not mean that 9-11 is the same.

I personally know a couple of "average joe's" that witnessed the impacts...so the whole idea that planes never collided with the towers to me seems crazy far-fetched.

Please ...someone offer me some genuine, not easily debunked, evidence supporting the claim.

If you "feel" it was an inside job then Kudo's to you. You "might" be right, but if you are going to claim it as truth...prove it. I am open to evidence.

[edit on 21-5-2009 by maybereal11]

Originally posted by maybereal11
simple, logical facts that can be examined

Originally posted by maybereal11
Just offer up two or threee concise

Not everything is like television or a movie.

Not everything can be boiled down to a simple concise explanation...

You have to do some science, some math, some analyzing, some critical thinking in order to understand the official story is a physical impossibility.

Americans want everything pre-packaged and handed to them...

"well some Arabs did it, the fuel melted the beams, and stuff happened, and then it did a perfect pancake collapse on itself into a pile of rubble...also another near by building did the same thing...also two other airplanes crashed, trust us even though we don't have any pictures"

Use some common sense to see the official story is riddled with contradictions and anomalies...

After that use physics to understand the collapse of the three world trade center buildings could not possibly have happened under the official story conditions...

The truth is easy to find if you want to find it.

Originally posted by maybereal11

Niether of you offered me a single clearly articulated argument or scientific fact to consider.

That's why I pointed you to the 9/11 forums.

I did however recieve the insult of "not everything is a movie" and "Americans want everything packaged for them" etc etc.

Try not to be so sensitive. They were more like personal statements by Jezus than direct insults to you.

I have looked at the 9-11 truth forums before and like I explained it is exhuasting to sort through the piles of conviction without clear evidence.

"either way"....right? And yes it IS exhausting, but truth can have a high price sometimes.

Trust your gut...use common sense..etc. etc. I prefer the truth supported by facts that can be examined for their validity.

Like the "NIST" report?

Let's try this...for anyone wholeheartedly convinced this was an "inside job" ...give me one factual piece of evidence that you feel is the strongest supporting the argument...not a collection of opinions and insults.

errr.....the "NIST" report. It's nicely packaged and reads like a movie script but full of holes.

I am open-minded...

I don't think you are.

I think you just like arguing.....sorry to dissapoint.

If you want answers, read through the 9/11 forums, or better still...READ THE OPENING ARTICLE PROPERLY (and the accompanying article by 100 proffessors). The opinions of those people says a lot, and this thread was started to inform members about THEM...not to discuss things like explosions, planes and who did what and when.

I urge you to revisit the 9/11 forums with a more open mind.

My personal feelings are that if there is information to be released to the public that proves/shows that part/all of 9/11 didn't happen as initially reported, Obama won't let it be known until AFTER he's finished the war in Afganistan. How could he possibly say that 9/11 was (whole or in part) fabricated or even slightly exaggerated while still defending his need for another $80B to continue fighting? Without 9/11, WHY THE HELL ARE WE EVEN THERE???? Remember, Obama claims we simply invaded the wrong country, therefore we needed to correct our mistake and go after the REAL THREAT...Afganistan!!

Further, the only other way I think he would allow it to come out would be if any or all of the following takes place:

1. The people who put him in office finally figure out they were duped and releasing the 9/11 info would put him in a "wow....he told us this....he must REALLY be on the people's side if he told us THIS....maybe we should trust him...." This may be used to end a revolt or if the masses suddenly start calling for him to be ousted from office.

2. If there's a chance he won't get re-elected. Imagine him running his re-election campaign with "I had no idea, but now I do and the AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW...

3. He has to suddenly pull the military out of Afganistan and bring them all back home. If those that think martial law will be imposed he's going to need those troops back here. This is assuming that the war in Afganistan will be similar to the one in Iraq. He can't afford to wait 6 years...and he can't/won't declare defeat. So pulling them out based on "the realization that the Bush Administration (CIA, etc.) may have in fact exaggerated or fabricated information relating to the tragic events of September 11th..."

I can hear the speech he'd make already...can you?

Originally posted by maybereal11

Honestly I do not accept the "official story" as given truth, but it's hard to find merit in the "truthers" perspective when every time I open one of these threads any and all polite questioning of the idea that 9-11 was an inside job is met with name calling and general BS.

Can someone give me simple, logical facts that can be examined that support the "inside job" theorey? ...without the defensiveness and wacked out responses?

Just offer up two or threee concise scientific/factual items that truthers feel makes the case.

Simply saying it was an inside job does not make it so.

Yes our government is capable of cover-ups and attrocities...that does not mean that 9-11 is the same.

I myself don't fully accept the so-called official story in it's entirety. But it has been demonstrated with massive amounts of documentation and visuals that the US was attacked by foreign nationals.

The largest questions that remain, for me, are who in US intelligence and the admin was aware this was coming down the pike and why was there little co-ordination of information in advance.

Truthers have focused on a supposed controlled demolition to the WTC buildings as the way they entirely collapsed leaves some questions. But I'd say these have been satisfactorily answered by investigations of the evidence by many not only in the US and elsewhere.

Sadly I think it's impossible to discuss the still outstanding concerns on 9/11 as it has become so politicized on forums like this.

It has been reduced to whether one believes the US government as a single entity or not. Those who accept there was an unprovoked attack become some kind of persecuted minority in these surrounds.

This lack of objectivity only contributes to many questions remaining unexplored.


Mike

The reason people can have different perspectives on the above post is because of...

Originally posted by Hemoglobin
yes but that doesnt change the fact, that nothing of the fact will change. people are in denial always will be

DENIAL

People use their own personal speculation based on assumptions in order to rationalize the evidence into something more emotionally and mentally acceptable. The government's approval of this denial makes is very easy.

Speculation + Assumptions + Rationalizations = Denial

People are really good at denial, especially when the circumstances are so disconnected that they don't really care. Because in all honestly as long as we still have Walmart and McDonalds no one really cares that thousands of Americans were murdered for power and money.



[edit on 22-5-2009 by Jezus]