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Postal workers in BNP leaflet row

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posted on May, 20 2009 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
I just finished reading about the BNP and being an American I had no knowledge of who they are. I'd agree they are a sick group.

You need to ask yourselves however, do you value the freedom of speech in print so little that you are willing to throw it away over this?

Why would anyone chase the Postal Worker or blame them in the first place? It would take a person as out of line as the BNP to do that anyway. In fact it borders on insanity.


I am a yank also. You have made the most sense so far.

I think this whole thing could be avoided if people would follow the old adage

"Don't Shoot The Messenger"

Do not like what they deliver to you? Cool use it for stuffing or burning or wiping. Better yet take it up with who sent it to you. The mailman is supposed to be completely neutral. Can't get mad if he delivers a bill to you that is too high or divorce papers.

You brits are going to end up having to elect mailmen.




posted on May, 20 2009 @ 09:57 PM
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Imagine the outcry if a sterotypical skinhead had threatened a Post Office worker for delivering Socialist Worker Party literature thus setting off a similair outcry.
Would the postal workers union refused to deliver their mail, no, they would have demanded the arrest of the person who had threatened their member.

It is becoming more apparent that the BNP is treat quite differently to other political parties here in Britain.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 10:39 PM
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I'm afraid racism is a two-way process. Your rhetoric blupblup, sounds so NWO-ish, it's bordering on suppression of expression.

Have you been to Handsworth in Birmingham, Salford, Manchester or Leicester. If you're white and walk the streets at night, you'd get your head kicked in by the ethnic 'yoot'.

I would like to express my 'race' concerns:

Cultures emigrate to foreign lands and form pockets of communities. White British people bugger off to Spain as ex-pats and they don't make any effort to assimilate; in fact they just go to their local fish 'n chip shop and make friends with fellow ex-pats. The only difference they want is the sunshine.

Asians are also like birds of a feather. They have a very strong family tie and work their gonads off to support their family. My concern with Asian immigration is the way they can take themselves out of the system with things like Islamic Mortgages for Muslims looking for Halal finance. I'm a product developer and i have seen government grants that cater purely for ethnicity by postcode and religion.

I see races like cats and dogs. They both have two eyes, four legs and fur but they are fundamentally different and stick to their own kind. This is the way with humans are, whether you like it or not.

Minorities of ANY race will always amalgamate until they then become the majority and will oust anyone who doesn't assimilate. As the Muslim population increases in Britain, i just worry if Sharia law will be implemented for anybody and everybody, as they gain political power by majority.

Religion is a quasi-simile to this separation; it epitomises a demarcation of society with groups and a sense of belonging.

I hope you don't find my views too right wing, but i just had to reply to your intent as ANYBODY has a right to expression.

I propose a new voting system here.

Regards
PoS

Edit: I just wanted to clarify that i am an atheistic, misanthropist


[edit on 20-5-2009 by PrisonerOfSociety]



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 04:20 AM
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Originally posted by Aceofclubs
the BNP dose not accept the NF any longer. are you stuck in the sixtys? you sound like a communist you can`t ban a party and have a democracy. its down to the everyday man/woman to deside if thay agree with a party or not, not what you THINK should be allowed
i don`t see any rasist comments on the site
Here have a look for yourself
please point them out if you do
[edit on 20-5-2009 by Aceofclubs]


Are so blind that you don't see what is in front of your own face?

The BNP are a racist party.


The British National Party (BNP) is a far-right and whites-only political party in the United Kingdom.



According to its constitution, the BNP is "committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948."The BNP also proposes "firm but voluntary incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home."



It advocates the repeal of all anti-discrimination legislation, and restricts party membership to "indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous Caucasian’". The BNP also accepts white immigrants that are assimilated into one of those ethnicities




Historically, under John Tyndall's leadership, the BNP was overtly anti-Semitic; however, under the current leadership of Nick Griffin, the BNP has focused on criticism of Islam. The party has said that it does not consider the Jewish, Hindu or Sikh religions to have a significantly detrimental or threatening effect, although it does not accept practising Sikhs or Hindus as culturally or ethnically British. The party does however have members with Jewish ancestry. The BNP has been known to work with extremist Hindu and Sikh groups opposing Islam, and has actively tried to win Jewish votes. The BNP is rebuked and ostracised by mainstream politicians, and the party has been strongly criticised by Labour Prime Minister Gordon Brown,former Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair, Conservative Party leader David Cameron and former Liberal Democrats leader Sir Menzies Campbell.


Source



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 04:27 AM
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Originally posted by Raider of Truth
As a member of the BNP. i feel that the people have a right to understand EVERY political party, the majority of these people who slander the BNP haven't even bothered to read up on the manifesto they think we are all a bunch of racist fat slobs..


As a BNP member, you are racist and are supporting and aiding racism and intolerance in the UK.

So well done...


I hope you're proud.

I have read ALL the policies in the manifesto... i am not spouting off without knowing what I'm talking about.

"Know your enemy" as they say.






If you read this i commend you for it

bnp.org.uk...



As above, i have done.

It's disgusting.

Subtle racism and hints of "what may be" are there...in between the lines.

I'm so glad that the BNP will never be the government here...



[edit on 21/5/09 by blupblup]



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 04:31 AM
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Originally posted by Raider of Truth
the media completely ignore Asian/Black attacks on White britons but when a white guy strikes back it's front page news "WHITE MALE ATTACKS BLACK MAN" and you say that is fair?


Do you know..... that shows your true colours.

I have NEVER seen a headline like that.
It just doesn't happen..... but it the warped and bigoted mind of a BNP supporter... of course it does.

Absolutely pathetic.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 04:37 AM
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Originally posted by Aceofclubs
i`m mostly liberal minded but these guys are starting to look like the only party thats not on a NWO/worldcapitalist agenda thay have a few faults but what more damage can thay do than the main partys have already done? the last video shows why




A few faults...??

sarc*

Well yeah, Hitler had a few faults but he had the right idea huh?
Keep Germany for the Germans, kick out or kill the foreigners and build up a nationalistic fervor regarding race...so that everything he did, people knew it was for the good of the country...

/sarc


Seriously, can you not see any parallels?

:shk: :shk:



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 04:45 AM
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Originally posted by PrisonerOfSociety
reply to post by blupblup
 

I'm afraid racism is a two-way process. Your rhetoric blupblup, sounds so NWO-ish, it's bordering on suppression of expression.
Have you been to Handsworth in Birmingham, Salford, Manchester or Leicester. If you're white and walk the streets at night, you'd get your head kicked in by the ethnic 'yoot'.



Nope...but been to Southall many times and used to go regularly with a friend.
have attended a few festivals and always had an amazing time with no problems whatsoever.

You see, funnily enough....i get on with almost everybody.

I Don't walk around looking at people as groups of this and races of that...i see them as people...and i have had no problems.

Now if i went round with an attitude and was looking at them like they were pieces of ****, then i would probably get myself in to trouble.

Probably a good job I'm not so small minded huh?


As for the rest of your post



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 04:46 AM
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Regardless of what people think of the BNP party, if they pay for postage to deliver pamphlets are they are a legal party, then their postage should be delivered.

What if a BNP supporting mailman decided he didn't want to deliver the pamphlets of the other parties?? He'd be laughed off the job.

Since when do mailmen decide what mail gets delivered and what doesn't??

Good way of stopping a 3rd party (whether it's BNP or some other party that the majors don't want to get any headway) from getting the word out.

It might be the BNP that are being shunted at the moment, tomorrow it could be some other party that cops the same.

I always thought that you had to be politically neutral in these kind of jobs.
Otherwise, whats to stop a supporter of one political party from dumping the pamphlets of the opposing party?
In fact, wouldn't be at all surprised if that happens either.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by Flighty
What if a BNP supporting mailman decided he didn't want to deliver the pamphlets of the other parties?? He'd be laughed off the job.
Since when do mailmen decide what mail gets delivered and what doesn't??


This is not a political row or protest from postal workers.
It is a MORAL one.

The BNP are not just some political party... they are a far-right, racist and disgusting bunch of bigots.

And they get to decide after the CWU introduced a "conscience clause".

So that's good huh?







I always thought that you had to be politically neutral in these kind of jobs.
Otherwise, whats to stop a supporter of one political party from dumping the pamphlets of the opposing party?
In fact, wouldn't be at all surprised if that happens either.


Again....it's not a political row....it's a racial one.
Please read up on the issue...or read the thread,



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by Raider of Truth
the media completely ignore Asian/Black attacks on White britons but when a white guy strikes back it's front page news "WHITE MALE ATTACKS BLACK MAN" and you say that is fair?


well, thats just lies and dam well you know it, you just need to watch the news daily to hear about cross ethnic crime, uk against non uk and vice versa, its an almost daily story these days, usualy related to gang violence.

heres one, from 20th may 2009
news.bbc.co.uk...

and another

www.emgonline.co.uk...

thats just 2 storys i picked at ransom, where the people are not caucasion, it took about 3 minutes of searching.

when was teh last time you ever ever seen a headline of "WHITE MAN ATTACKS BLACK MAN" ? .. it just doesnt happen, as the headline itself woudl be deemed racist, if anything , in this case, if it was racialy motivated it woudl say "racialy motivated attack", but 99% of the time the crimes have absolutely nothing to do with creed or colour, rather they have underlying issues, personal disputes, gang turf wars and so on, the list is endless.

btw, good morning blupblup


**edit - back on topic, i still dont see why political partys should be using a public service to deliver their advertising , whoever the party may be, like i said before, for years they manage to deliver leaflets by hand without using the post service, now its a private company their not delivering mail, its contracted work, and the contracted work is asking them to distribute leaflets which encite racial (maybe the word is ethnical) hatred, and thats illegal in this country.

all the bnp do is blame groups for britains problems, they dont have any answers!.

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[edit on 21-5-2009 by boaby_phet]



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 05:14 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup
Well yeah, Hitler had a few faults but he had the right idea huh?


Fair point.
But what about Stalin and Mao and other left-wing dictators who have been responsible for the murder of miliions of people too.
We hear very little criticismn of The Communist Party or Socialist Workers Party who advocate their policies.

You advocate censorship of the 'far' Right Wing yet allow those that are diametrically opposed.
That my friend is hypocrisy and double standards.

The BNP are not offered the same level playing field as offered other parties.

Censorship of any kind is inherently wrong in a free society.
End of story.

If you despise the thoughts and ideals of the BNP so much then actively work to oppose them, (as you seem to be doing very well here on ATS).

I have made my personal views known previously, I will not repeat myself.
Suffice to say we need a catalyst to provoke and stimulate honest and open discussion and debate on various important issues.
This is not happening at present with the major political parties secure in their comfort zone happy with the status quo which is our current political and electoral systems.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 05:18 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup
This has nothing to do with democratic rights or impartiality, it has to do with decency and morality.



The first part of your post is correct, it clearly is NOT democratic or impartial, while the latter part of your post is subjective nonsense


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posted on May, 21 2009 @ 05:22 AM
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Originally posted by boaby_phet
well, thats just lies and dam well you know it,


well no it isn't



you just need to watch the news daily to hear about cross ethnic crime, uk against non uk and vice versa, its an almost daily story these days, usualy related to gang violence.

heres one, from 20th may 2009
news.bbc.co.uk...

and another

www.emgonline.co.uk...

thats just 2 storys i picked at ransom, where the people are not caucasion, it took about 3 minutes of searching.



which is not relevant to what the poster said- he said attacks which are deemed as RACIST and highlighted in the media tend to be white on non white not non white on white- those links are not RACIST incidents



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
Fair point.
But what about Stalin and Mao and other left-wing dictators who have been responsible for the murder of miliions of people too.
We hear very little criticismn of The Communist Party or Socialist Workers Party who advocate their policies.


spot on friend- and also, what people forget is how terms such as "right wing" have been corrupted- right wing, traditionally, meant laissez faire and minimal state control involvement, clearly the OPPOSITE of the nazis, who I would class on the left (it was Stalin who pushed the notion of fascists as right wing, but then, anyone who disagreed with communists was to the "right" of communism)




You advocate censorship of the 'far' Right Wing yet allow those that are diametrically opposed.
That my friend is hypocrisy and double standards.



spot on



The BNP are not offered the same level playing field as offered other parties.

Censorship of any kind is inherently wrong in a free society.
End of story.


again totally correct



If you despise the thoughts and ideals of the BNP so much then actively work to oppose them, (as you seem to be doing very well here on ATS).


exactly- I despise Labour, I despise the liberal/left ruling class, both tory and labour who have dominated for 40 years, I despise their multi cultural doctrine, their abandoning of immigration control and their transfer of powers to the EU. I despise their watering down of punishment for criminals- we can all despise parties............



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 05:36 AM
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its very relevent to the point, the links i posted relate to black/asian on white crime, which he said never gets any coverage, as its always the latter.

white crime against other ethnicities will always be highlighted as racist When its a racialy motivated crime .. tbh, i cant remember the last time i seen any news reports on white people racialy attacking another person or group of people ... thankfuly, its because our society it moving on from the old days of thinking that because someone is a different colour their lower than us, its also due top the fact that most crime committed is not racialy motivated, its as simple as that.

please show me some reaserch to proove me wrong.

blueorder-


I despise their multi cultural doctrine, their abandoning of immigration control and their transfer of powers to the EU. I despise their watering down of punishment for criminals


seriously, that reads exactly like the bnp leaflet that came through my door!

may i ask a question, what is your problem (if any) with people of other cultures, or people who want to come and live in uk??

which punishment being watered down do you despice?

(btw, cool name, is that ecw related or just coincidence?)

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posted on May, 21 2009 @ 05:40 AM
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Just did read the thread and my post still stands.

If their views are illegal, they should be deregistered.
Then no one would have to deliver their mail.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by boaby_phet
its very relevent to the point, the links i posted relate to black/asian on white crime, which he said never gets any coverage, as its always the latter.



no, it is not relevant- the poster made the point that when race is highlighted in terms of a RACIAL aspect it tends to be when a non white is the perceived victim- the links you posted have nothing to do with a racially motivated crime!



white crime against other ethnicities will always be highlighted as racist When its a racialy motivated crime .. tbh, i cant remember the last time i seen any news reports on white people racialy attacking another person or group of people ... thankfuly, its because our society it moving on from the old days of thinking that because someone is a different colour their lower than us, its also due top the fact that most crime committed is not racialy motivated, its as simple as that.

please show me some reaserch to proove me wrong.


You have thrown up some confused statements there, prove you wrong about what

a) That there is less racial attacks than before?
b) That the media always reports racial attacks evenly

What exactly is it we are meant to be researching here!?


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posted on May, 21 2009 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by boaby_phet
seriously, that reads exactly like the bnp leaflet that came through my door!


sad isn't it, that a nationalist party has to point out the obvious- that is what happens when the tories abandon their principles. I personally have many issues with the BNP, they should not even be an issue at election time, and the reason they are is the abandonment of any sort of real opposition from the tories, who I hope are replaced by a proper "right wing" (as in the opposite of what you probably think right wing is) alternative




may i ask a question, what is your problem (if any) with people of other cultures, or people who want to come and live in uk??


MUlti culturalism segments people into "groups"- it promotes group identity over individual identity and does not encourage integration.

Immigration needs to be managed, in the way that Japan manages it- ie set quotas for immigrants based on required skills, needs of the host nation etc. We also need our immigration service to evict ILLEGAL immigrants with the greatest swiftness possible




which punishment being watered down do you despice?


less lengthy prison sentences for a start (I would also support the death penalty being reintroduced.

For example

man beats, stabs and burns pensioner to death, man is released after 14 years inside a prison network that provides many comforts

news.bbc.co.uk...

Not even close to justice





(btw, cool name, is that ecw related or just coincidence?)
[edit on 21-5-2009 by boaby_phet]


not sure what ecw is so that means probably coincidence


[edit on 21-5-2009 by blueorder]



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 05:58 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn

Originally posted by blupblup
Well yeah, Hitler had a few faults but he had the right idea huh?


Fair point.
But what about Stalin and Mao and other left-wing dictators who have been responsible for the murder of miliions of people too.
We hear very little criticismn of The Communist Party or Socialist Workers Party who advocate their policies.




Originally posted by blupblup
sarc*
Well yeah, Hitler had a few faults but he had the right idea huh?
Keep Germany for the Germans, kick out or kill the foreigners and build up a nationalistic fervor regarding race...so that everything he did, people knew it was for the good of the country...
/sarc


I would prefer you put the whole quote mate (as i just did above)...so as not to make me look like i was saying i thought what hitler did was a good or right thing... (as you tried to do...very sly)







You advocate censorship of the 'far' Right Wing yet allow those that are diametrically opposed.
That my friend is hypocrisy and double standards.
The BNP are not offered the same level playing field as offered other parties.
Censorship of any kind is inherently wrong in a free society.
End of story.


Well...as i keep pointing out...the majority (and I'm glad it is the majority) don't see the BNP as a political party....or even a serious one.

Why should they be offered the same "level playing field"?

They're not even playing the same game...






If you despise the thoughts and ideals of the BNP so much then actively work to oppose them, (as you seem to be doing very well here on ATS).


How do you know i don't?

There are a few groups who are fighting against these bigots....

Please don't assume anything.







I have made my personal views known previously, I will not repeat myself.
Suffice to say we need a catalyst to provoke and stimulate honest and open discussion and debate on various important issues.


And i have read them.... and per your "we need a good debate about important issues" line.... i totally agree with you.

But i don't think that using the BNP as a short term fix will help in the long run.

I understand that people are pissed off with the way things are in the UK.... i really do... but punishing "non-whites" is not going to help anyone or ultimately, achieve anything.



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