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Postal workers in BNP leaflet row

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posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:35 AM
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Just as a bit of a sideline---Who the hell can we vote for in any election??
BNP are racial fascists.
Labour are incompetent and corrupt. and favour the rich.
Tories are the old boy network. and favour the rich.
Libs are a joke.
Ukip the same.
WHO do we vote for--please tell me, cos IMO we need a new political party like yesterday.
We need a "peoples party" so desperately that will actually represent and listen to the needs and wishes of the uk population.
If there was a viable alternative such as this, a party with common sense and integrity then I'm sure a party such as the BNP would fade into oblivion, along with all the other "pigs in a trough" parties.
Bring it on---a landslide would be guaranteed.




posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by The Last Man on Earth
Well, I did not launch a personal attack on you - I asked you a question. If you cannot differentiate between the two, in the same manner you can't seem to see that repressing people's views and opinions is fundamentally a fascist tactic, then what conclusions can you draw from that?


So i suppose that the MOD edited your post and your language for no reason right?

I suppose they too are a fascist?

Whatever mate


A: the mod failed to properly edit what I'd written and

B: no, they edited it because I'm too lazy to read the ToC.

And your "whatever mate" is utterly redundant as you are still trying to oppress the views of a disenfranchised minority of British citizens.

Come on, tell me how censoring the BNP is not a fascist tactic.

I'm waiting.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by uk today
reply to post by blupblup
 

Just as a bit of a sideline---Who the hell can we vote for in any election??
BNP are racial fascists.
Labour are incompetent and corrupt. and favour the rich.
Tories are the old boy network. and favour the rich.
Libs are a joke.
Ukip the same.
WHO do we vote for--please tell me, cos IMO we need a new political party like yesterday.
We need a "peoples party" so desperately that will actually represent and listen to the needs and wishes of the uk population.
If there was a viable alternative such as this, a party with common sense and integrity then I'm sure a party such as the BNP would fade into oblivion, along with all the other "pigs in a trough" parties.
Bring it on---a landslide would be guaranteed.


exactly, the best thing that could happen is a tory collapse to let a property alternative party emerge (and by alternative, I mean alternative to the liberal/left ruling elite, both tory and labour, which has infested us for so long)



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by The Last Man on Earth

A: the mod failed to properly edit what I'd written and

B: no, they edited it because I'm too lazy to read the ToC.

And your "whatever mate" is utterly redundant as you are still trying to oppress the views of a disenfranchised minority of British citizens.

Come on, tell me how censoring the BNP is not a fascist tactic.

I'm waiting.



exactly, it is classic fascism in action!


This must be "GOOD" Fascism, like that "GOOD" racism



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by blueorder
Erm, no I'm not, whites are SPECIFICALLY excluded for experiences/perspective whether you deem that "ethnic" or "racial"- all a bit trite from someone who probably supports the perverted race laws where a white pole attacking a white indigenous Britain is considered racial


Yes white are... which is a RACIAL point...not ethnic.
geez..... you're hard work man...


You said only an "ethnic" person could complain to the BNP.... well, that's not true....whites are also an ethnic group.

Please be clear when posting..







This does not answer the point- that is the reason used to JUSTIFY setting it up, same way someone could say they are JUSTIFYING voting BNP because they were mugged by a black lad and called "honky"- in your view the BPA racism is GOOD RACISM AND justified, whereas the BNP is BAD RACISM and not justified
soooooo funny


IMHO, it's not racist.
They had no alternative.... the MPS Commissioner set it up after discussions between officers and MP's.

They would not have had to set it up if it were not for the racism they had suffered??

Do you not get it...??

It baffles me how you fail to grasp this point??

And you're just trolling.....










Like I say, some bloke could say he supports the KKK because his daughter was killed by a black man, following your train of thought that is justified

which confirms you think there is GOOD and BAD racism



Yes...because clearly...the Police force being institutionally racist....and somebody being killed in an isolated attack are the same thing.


And no....no good or bad racism.... ALL racism is bad my frined.

And if it were not for this disgusting thing called RACISM.... the BPA would not have been set up.




posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup
I know what you're saying dude.... and in a way, i agree.

But being pro immigration or the opposite of racist.... is not illegal...is not really morally wrong.

And i know.... who decides what's morally wrong and what ever...

All i offer up here are my opinions... that's it.



Well that is fair enough absolutely. I just think people need to stamp out their personal feelings when it comes to issues like this one. The entire system relies on people being neutral in regards to what everyone is allowed to hear. People need to be able to hear absolutely everything, from all parties and sides. Otherwise we start going down that dangerous road that often leads to countries like China. Let the British public decide with their votes. That's if they can get off of their arses and actually play a part in the political system.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Aceofclubs
in reply to your last post directed at me
your childish,ilogical and dismissive posts realy hold no bounds...do thay

aswel writen as thay may be
also you have allday to reply is this your job?
i think i might be
[edit on 21-5-2009 by Aceofclubs]



You can't even put a sentence together.... or spell.



Yeah....way to use big words mate



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by The Last Man on Earth
A: the mod failed to properly edit what I'd written and

B: no, they edited it because I'm too lazy to read the ToC.

And your "whatever mate" is utterly redundant as you are still trying to oppress the views of a disenfranchised minority of British citizens.

Come on, tell me how censoring the BNP is not a fascist tactic.

I'm waiting.


Of course....it's somebody else's fault


I have my opinion....i am not censoring anybody personally.

But as i have said... countless times.... racism has no place in Politics, or society in general.

the fact that i even have to explain most of this stuff to some people is beyond me.... I'm just stunned.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by Aceofclubs
in reply to your last post directed at me
your childish,ilogical and dismissive posts realy hold no bounds...do thay

aswel writen as thay may be
also you have allday to reply is this your job?
i think i might be
[edit on 21-5-2009 by Aceofclubs]



You can't even put a sentence together.... or spell.



Yeah....way to use big words mate



Stop insulting people and answer me, if you can.

How is censorship of the BNP anything other than a fascist tactic?



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:51 AM
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Who reads the Postal Industry News anyway?
I take it you are one of the postal workers involved in this then?
If you are, I hope you aren't a reflection on all the people involved in this.
Cause we can see you are totally biased and fascist.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by Aceofclubs
in reply to your last post directed at me
your childish,ilogical and dismissive posts realy hold no bounds...do thay

aswel writen as thay may be
also you have allday to reply is this your job?
i think i might be
[edit on 21-5-2009 by Aceofclubs]



You can't even put a sentence together.... or spell.



Yeah....way to use big words mate


this one comes under dismissive and insulting and nice reply my spelling is not the issue



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Well that is fair enough absolutely. I just think people need to stamp out their personal feelings when it comes to issues like this one. The entire system relies on people being neutral in regards to what everyone is allowed to hear. People need to be able to hear absolutely everything, from all parties and sides. Otherwise we start going down that dangerous road that often leads to countries like China. Let the British public decide with their votes. That's if they can get off of their arses and actually play a part in the political system.




I do know what you mean... and as i said.... i do agree somewhat.

And it's pretty hard to keep personal opinions and emotions out of it when dealing with so much ignorance and racism...

I have nothing to fear... i know the BNP will never be the government in the UK... it just wouldn't happen.

There are too many people who actually care about society and humanity in general to let such filth get in... but, i do agree somewhat on letting everyone talk.

In a political sense....i think the public should be able to listen to all parties and vote on what they like..

From my own personal perspective, i can't stand racism and parties like the BNP are just absolute hatred and ignorance personified...
I would boot them all out of the UK....

But again.... just my opinion.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup
Yes white are... which is a RACIAL point...not ethnic.
geez..... you're hard work man...



I think the point was self evident when "ethnic" is a term associated with "ethnic" minority, ie, non white




You said only an "ethnic" person could complain to the BNP.... well, that's not true....whites are also an ethnic group.

Please be clear when posting..



it is clear, you are just been needlessly pedantic, and it may not even be pedantry as the point is self evident



IMHO, it's not racist.


yes- this does not stand up to scrutiny



They had no alternative


yes they did, they did not have to set up a racially based organisation



.... the MPS Commissioner set it up after discussions between officers and MP's.


yes, a shocking decision and shame on those race merchants and cowards involved



They would not have had to set it up if it were not for the racism they had suffered??


They did not have to set it up- they choose to set it up, the reason they use is that some ethnic minorities/non white police officers experienced racism- that does not justify indulging in racism- and in fact this is worse, any previous racism invididuals may have experienced was on an individual basis, not sanctioned by the organisation- the BPA is worse in that it is sanctioned by the police! Now that REALLY is institutional racism




Do you not get it...??


I am aware of you repeating the reasons given to justify the formation of the BPA by those (with an interest in power) who set it up- however nothing you have said in any way negates the racist aspect of the BPA which is integral to its being



It baffles me how you fail to grasp this point??


see above



And you're just trolling.....


nope









Yes...because clearly...the Police force being institutionally racist....and somebody being killed in an isolated attack are the same thing.


no (unlike you being the sheep I do not agree with the assessment of the police being institutionally racist based on the allegations, some false some real, of individuals), it is not the same- but they are two areas where someone could use the term "racism" to justify their actions





And no....no good or bad racism.... ALL racism is bad my frined.


this contradicts what you say above- hence us having this little dance



And if it were not for this disgusting thing called RACISM.... the BPA would not have been set up.





round the mulberry bush- that is the excuse a white lad could use to justify voting BNP, if he was attacked by non whites and called "white scum" he could say, if it was not for that despicable racism, he would vote BNP

QED

[edit on 21-5-2009 by blueorder]



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by The Last Man on Earth
A: the mod failed to properly edit what I'd written and

B: no, they edited it because I'm too lazy to read the ToC.

And your "whatever mate" is utterly redundant as you are still trying to oppress the views of a disenfranchised minority of British citizens.

Come on, tell me how censoring the BNP is not a fascist tactic.

I'm waiting.


Of course....it's somebody else's fault


I have my opinion....i am not censoring anybody personally.

But as i have said... countless times.... racism has no place in Politics, or society in general.

the fact that i even have to explain most of this stuff to some people is beyond me.... I'm just stunned.




Another dodge.

I'm not saying that, in my opinion, racism is a good or valid method of operation within a society. But it is not my place to force this opinion on others, just as it is not your place to do so either; each person has to make this choice for themselves. Do you understand this? Not in any wider context, but do you understand that on its own merits? I don't mind if you don't, after all, I don't understand religious worship, but we cannot continue any kind of proper discourse unless you can demonstrate to me that this is a concept you can understand.

Britain has always prided itself on freedom of expression.

Now answer my question:

How is censoring the BNP not a fascist tactic?



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by The Last Man on Earth

Stop insulting people and answer me, if you can.

How is censorship of the BNP anything other than a fascist tactic?




OK....

It is my OPINION...... if you deem me fascist then so be it.

I couldn't care less.


But really.... the BNP are the fascists.... not me.

I'm just opinionated.



A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.


Fascism. ^^



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup
But really.... the BNP are the fascists.... not me.


one could argue about the fascist intent of the BNP, similarly one could argue, with confidence, in the fascism of your position





A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Fascism. ^^



You support the suppression of opposition by censorship and terror (banning their leaflets and deporting them)- you support fascist methodology



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 11:04 AM
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I think, just maybe, that I am utterly in love with both what you have to say and the way you say it.

Would you mind if it and I were married this June? Or is that too soon?



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by The Last Man on Earth

I think, just maybe, that I am utterly in love with both what you have to say and the way you say it.

Would you mind if it and I were married this June? Or is that too soon?


hah sounds good for me, wife is due in June, so I should have a window

No sex please though, I'm British



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by The Last Man on Earth
I'm not saying that, in my opinion, racism is a good or valid method of operation within a society. But it is not my place to force this opinion on others, just as it is not your place to do so either;


It may not be your place...

But for me.... it is my DUTY to do so.

I feel that racism is the among the worst things in society.
And i will do my bit to stamp it out when and where i can.


Thanks



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup
It is my OPINION...... if you deem me fascist then so be it.

I couldn't care less.


So we can use this as your concrete admission of the preference of the use of fascist tactics with regard to British government?

Because that is exactly what it is. No 'if..'s, no 'but...'s, you are actually suggesting the suppression of information regarding a political ideology because you view it as potentially dangerous.

We have not always been at war with Eurasia, you know.



Originally posted by blupblupBut really.... the BNP are the fascists.... not me.


Yes, then no. You are a fascist, but then so might the BNP be (frankly I don't even know what they want any more). You have different ideologies, but your methodology is pretty-much the same.


Originally posted by blupblupI'm just opinionated.


Everyone is; they're just like arse holes. Don't worry, I doubt anyone here is taking it personally.

[edit on 21-5-2009 by The Last Man on Earth]



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