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That comes from the experience of Israelites rebelling in the wilderness.
Why years? These are 2,300 evenings/mornings, which refers to 2,300 total units or days. DAYS not years.
"And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray." (Mt 24:10-11)
Are you serious? So, what did he say? That was what I got from it. OK, then define a "glorified body". Is that in the Bible?
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
reply to post by jmdewey60
Straw man much? He never said:
an ordinary physical body
I addressed your unscritptural assault on Biblical Christianity here
Originally posted by dthwraith
Wow great vids, learned alot from the letter vid. All this is very interesting.
That has to be something else and can not say where 1874 comes from.
And how arbitrarily they just add 70 years? And actually they don't even agree with themselves because he president (Rutherford) said in 1929.
* "The scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D."
But you say 1844 - so we have 3 dates - all from "prophets"
" Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done." (Re 20:11-13)
Oh no no no no!
The Bible clearly teaches when Jesus will judge the dead and it was not in 1844!
Why not join a real church and leave this nonsense?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
The ones who are judged now are the ones who belong to Jesus and will be in the first resurrection.
Otherwise how do they get resurrected and go into heaven to be with Jesus, in the first place?
"And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”" (Lk 23:43)
"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." (1 Th 4:16-17)
No, there was no rapture. That was what people expected. This man Miller went around New England teaching people about this date he came up with. A lot of people got caught up in what was almost a hysteria. It was not all that popular because all the churches fought against it. After the "great disappointment" certain people gathered at meetings and decided even though the date did not turn out as advertised, they felt it was an important thing to have a frame of mind of constantly being expecting Jesus' return "as a thief in the night".
So your position is that the rapture occurred in 1844? Oh I doubt it... those false prophets just made that bit up as a cover when their date setting failed because they mangled Daniels prophecy.
It just so happens that I think Calvary Chapel is a cult.
I really hope you will try a Calvary Chapel or a Southern Baptist church and leave that cult stuff alone.
After the "great disappointment" certain people gathered at meetings and decided even though the date did not turn out as advertised,
The SDA's never set any dates. That was that guy Miller. The church came about later, after the fact. It is just that the original members were people who did not feel comfortable staying in churches that were full of ridicule over the very idea that Jesus was ever coming back in the next thousand years or something.
even better leave the cult and join the Christian church....
From what I've seen Calvary Chaple makes an effort to follow the Bible, they don't date set and make up crazy false doctrines about Jesus in 1844
I like to listen to the pastor Chuck Smith and I like Chuck Missler's Bible studies. However I'm in the SBC.
Why do you call CC a cult?
It explores the origins and teachings of the sect and examines the claims of the founder and self-appointed prophet, Mrs. Ellen G. White, comparing her unique beliefs with the Bible. You will meet a number of former high-ranking church leaders, many of them fourth generation Adventists, and discover what happened when they embarked on a journey to discover the truth about Mrs. White, the doctrine of the "investigative judgment" and numerous other teachings held by the movement. You will be shocked by what they found.
"Those who may agree or for those who strongly disagree, viewers of this documentary will find it a most fascinating exploration into the cultic aspects of the teachings of Ellen G. White. I heartily recommended it for Christians who seek genuine answers based on the best scholarship and firm adherence to the truths of God's Word." Dr. James Kennedy, Senior Pastor Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church, Fort Lauderdale, FL
I said Jesus ruled from a remote location. When I said rule, I meant as High Priest.
Why did you say Christ was supposed to return in 1844. But he didn't so you decided it must mean he "returned secretly" to judge the dead - which I debunked with scripture - and now your saying you guys don't set dates? Its like you defend it until debunked and now your distancing yourself... which you should.
I am a fourth generation SDA and I can tell you this is either not true or highly biased.
It explores the origins and teachings of the sect and examines the claims of the founder and self-appointed prophet, Mrs. Ellen G. White, comparing her unique beliefs with the Bible.
"There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.”" (Mk 7:15)
You have no idea how bad people's diets were back then and people lived on white bread and pork.
I think its highly suspect but I wish you well.