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posted on May, 20 2009 @ 04:30 PM
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I still tend to lean towards believing mabans story, for the simple fact he wasnt trying to sell an idea. he wasant trying to do anything except answer questions, and even alot of that was in u2u form. I guess you could be right, but I still believe, until proven otherwise. He seemed very genuine and honest. I have since started to look into Buddhism some, and am glad for that if nothing else. It was a great story at the least. the best info I got out of that thread was from you, about ...the eye of ra i think is what you called it. I will watch this thread and try and help, I just wanted to give my .02 on maban...
Love and Light



actually, I concur exactly with KilgoreTrout- I just could not put it into words nearly as well. thanks KT, its been great reading your posts.


[edit on 20-5-2009 by AKARonco]




posted on May, 20 2009 @ 04:59 PM
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The video game that Maban had an interest in was Deus Ex 3.

He said in the thread, and also to some of us by U2U that the second game, Deus Ex: Invisible War, had a lot of information in it about the Illuminons.

In fact there are characters in there like "Saman" that use the title Illuminon.

I never could match up the game with Maban's message but he posted on the forums at Eidos about the upcoming Deus Ex 3.

Deus Ex 3 - Wikipedia



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 05:00 PM
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"DITTO" I feel like we are being kept away from a long lost friend. I am still confused why he was banned???



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 05:13 PM
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Here is an example of a quote from Maban, and this is EXACTLY why I think the Tenzin/Kvasir "personalities" were a hoax, but I am still unsure about Maban.

This quote is in context of a heated debate about bio-modification with another person:



Interesting edit there, okay. Brushing off any intended or unintended arrogance; I do know a great deal about cytokinesis and cellular respiration, as well as the difference between eukaryotes, and prokaryotes. I would like to think myself decently educated.

Where you see no distinction between organic nanotechnology, and artificial/synthetic nanotechnology; I do. I think they are a far cry different from one another, but that remains my humble opinion. They do share many commonalities, however analogous they are, they are not identical. They contrast key differences which set them leagues apart. Primarily their affinity to shape the environment around them, unlike organic cells. Specifically the lack of self replication inhibitors organic technology inherently possesses.

And as an edit to be perfectly clear, I am discussing nanotechnology specifically based off of metallic structures, not cellular walls or membranes; thus my synthetic/organic definitions.


Now contrast that with some of the idiotic and grammatically inept posts under the Maban/Tenzin/Kvasir accounts.

THIS is what leads me to believe "Maban" might be a real person, but his thread may have been jacked by some hoaxers.

As far as being banned there isn't much to say except all three of those accounts were coming from the same IP address.*** We probably shouldn't discuss banning too much because it dangerously flirts with T&C violation.

The final post in the "Shards" thread has an explanation.


*** This is NOT from anyone at ATS. This is a claim made DIRECTLY by Kvasir.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 05:15 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Behind the scenes of that thread I was once identified as an influental member of the Spanish Illuminati.


Its stunning and hilarious how easy it is to make something up out of thin air and have people believe it. I think I could pull it off too.

Does that mean we are best equipped against this stuff by becoming a closed-minded skeptic? Not at all in my opinion. Not at all.

I place value even on the far-out and the hoaxes because they touch something within us that can imagine...and knows, that this reality is only a thin surface-layer covering up something so much more profound and mysterious.

And its because of this intuitive sense and by mixing some truth into falsehood that scam-artists are able to touch us and convince us. And it is entirely fine to get in touch with mystery. The trick is that if you fly a kite you have to be able to land it too eventually. Otherwise you just fly off into nowhere-land without any groundedness.

The world is mysterious. There are secrets. Many of them. Discovery never ends.



As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 05:24 PM
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I was so disappointed yesterday.

I was telling my wife the story (she is a patient, but very pragmatic woman).

She said, "Is this your internet friend that died, the one you went on about for four days?"

She thought I was an idiot THEN for believing in Maban. Maybe that's partially why I was so pissed. Maban WAS a friend.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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Many very knowledgeable minds fill in the gaps of their knowledge with imagination. Not the entire time and thread is a waste, because you enjoyed it and because once in awhile something true was posted.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 06:35 PM
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However, there are a couple of things I found that I wish I hadn't. Although I am 99% convinced this was a hoax there is a teeny bit of nagging doubt.


The best lies are cloaked in a portion of truth. By using this method you plant the seed of doubt in the mind of the person that has stumbled upon your lie with a verifiable truth.

All that need be done is to water the "plants" and the deceived will continue to accept the lie so long as they choose that lie over reason.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 06:53 PM
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Maybe that's partially why I was so pissed. Maban WAS a friend.
I think that we can all second that notion.

People can never understand my rational on matters like this, and now there is another obvious example.

Only family and "friends" can screw you! Nobody else ever get's the chance.

And this is why you, I, and everyone else feels a bit P.O.'d about this. He was considered a friend.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 07:40 PM
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I am so stupid.

May 1 was the anniversary of the founding of the Bavarian Illuminati.

I got so sidetracked on debunking I forgot to follow up on "Kvasir" initial post.

I don't know if I mentioned this before but the Kvasir account was created in June of last year, shortly after Maban began his thread. It indicates to me that he was at least watching, if not plotting, for a long time.

Another thing... a thing that I forget when I immerse myself in this research.



1st RULE: You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.

2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about FIGHT CLUB.

3rd RULE: If someone says "stop" or goes limp, taps out the fight is over.

4th RULE: Only two guys to a fight.

5th RULE: One fight at a time.

6th RULE: No shirts, no shoes.

7th RULE: Fights will go on as long as they have to.

8th RULE: If this is your first night at FIGHT CLUB, you HAVE to fight.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 08:15 PM
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Do you guys suppose that maybe Maban and his cohorts were posting via same computer like say a laptop? See I could just simply believe that except I do not believe that someone would post saying wait a minute Mabans dead oh no wait he's still alive, we were just saying that for whatever reason.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 08:38 PM
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Maban was challenged on the whole IP thing a couple of months back. He or they must have seen it coming:



Firstly "studies," and "expertise" are quite dissimilar. We have not technically "hijacked" but project the IP address as another, given that they are randomly assigned each time a host server is contacted we can use utilities which allow us to assume the IP address of a specific location using DHCP host servers. It helps when you have control over, or the ability to configure / reconfigure host servers of internet provides which allow you to "pick" the IP address you wish to assume. Granted it will be in the same region unless modifications are made, which as you would know make it more complicated, especially when tryign to avoid detection. However, in this instance we are not attempting to avoid detection. The IP address we are using does not correlate with our actual location, just our virtual one. As you know advanced resources can usually work past this and determine the physical location of even an IP address from another country being used in this one. Most individuals would not be able to discern our real location, but those with the proper hardware, software, and know how can; which is in a way what we are counting on.


Any networking folks on here can tell you that is a lame answer to the IP question.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 09:07 PM
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One of the fundamental new ideas introduced in the Shards thread was the possibility of a schism in the Illuminati. One group continued with Weishaupt, the other following Knigge.

In the early days Maban had trouble keeping the "Knigge" storyline going. In fact the early debates got quite heated. Researchers with extensive backgrounds studying the Bavarian Illuminati and when faced with the challenges Maban stuck firmly to the "you don't know what you are talking about" party line.

After the Iceland incident, Maban made a point to tell me he checked the vaults in the Shard HQ and uncovered evidence that the Knigge story was a lie.

It was rather convenient.

But what could have caused a such a schism in the first place? If both groups had seen the "future" in the Lumen ab Verum then why part ways?

My hypothesis is that *IF* there was a split it would have had to have been over a deep, fundamental philosophy. On one side of the fence were the believers in Man's fundamental liberty and equality, IE the belief that man's destiny should be shaped only by himself.

On the other side there may have been a group that saw something so startling and so overwhelmingly spiritual in the Lumen ab Verum that they felt compelled to show man the 'path' of spiritual enlightenment.

One side passive. One side active.

The hypothesis even exists (thank you Thomas Jefferson) that Weishaupt believed Jesus' mission was to free people from the "church" and that religion was ironically stifling our spirituality.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 09:36 PM
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I just finished reading the other thread and wow what a ride that was.
Im also a little confused as to why Maban was banned.

I would like to believe his story and answers but i find it hard to believe.

A question about the reason he was banned:
My girlfriend and i use two computers to post and browse ATS and internet in general on the one home network i have set up.

The modem/router has one IP address does that mean my girlfriend and i will be banned for having separate accounts with ATS on the same IP address?



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 12:32 AM
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Hello. I was a former member in that thread and my computer equipment met a rather untimely end. I believe my old handle was Illahee however the account information was long lost so I never got around to making a new ID until now.

Maban was indeed a fraud. He had no 'psychic powers' (so rest easy you oppressed folks) and could answer none of the questions that he should have been able to answer. I was very angry when I found out his fraud and let it slip up several times. After a while I decided to leave well enough alone since the gullible people that believed his fabrication seemed to be in safe enough hands.

For the most part he was very entertaining for many so I felt I should let the river find its own course, so to speak. There was no real harm and until he broke T&C, people minds were being opened to some extent, as long as they didn't believe the story and took in the message.

Best to everyone that followed the yellow brick road,

Pippin, the artist formerly known as Illahee.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by Pippin
Hello. I was a former member in that thread and my computer equipment met a rather untimely end. I believe my old handle was Illahee however the account information was long lost so I never got around to making a new ID until now.


This seems strange. You believe your old handle was "Illahee"? Considering you had quite a track record here, I can hardly believe you forgot it. I don't think I'd forget any "old" handle in a few short months, especially one I used quite often.


He had no 'psychic powers' (so rest easy you oppressed folks) and could answer none of the questions that he should have been able to answer.


He needed a pspanking.


For the most part he was very entertaining for many so I felt I should let the river find its own course, so to speak.


Was it flowing uphill or downhill? I must admit I liked digging a few ditches.


Best to everyone that followed the yellow brick road,

Pippin, the artist formerly known as Illahee.


Maybe Maban=Tenzin=Kvasir=Illahee=Pippin?



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 01:12 AM
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What is the philosophy of the illuminati or New World Order? In my opinion it is the Hegelian dialectic that purports to be an understanding of historical trends. Using the Hegelian model of history the bankers have manipulated society in order to achieve total control of their environment. First there was Capitalism (thesis), then Communism (antithesis), and now there's the New World Order (synthesis), risen from the ashes of the Cold War and the formerly 'competing' ideologies. We now know this as globalization, which consists of free market corporate fascism meshed with socialist welfare (communitarianism?). This in reality is practically a done deal. The New world Order in the guise of the real movers and shakers of the world i.e. the bankers and industrialists regard it as a fait accompli and now I believe the next move is to synthesize the world religions into a new ‘cult of reason’ which will be luciferianism. All this of course will be couched in euphemisms for the common man or drone.
Now how has this obvious con been achieved? The Hegelian doctrine relies on the idea that the natural state of man is based on conflict and that the opposite ideologies or belief systems being constantly merged will lead to a form of spiritual enlightenment. With this in mind you can justify constant war as being natural and that wolfs will always prey on sheep. For the top players this amounts to unbounded power or the total freedom to express their will unfettered by illogical concepts such as morality.
Now how does this fit into Maban story? He has created a conflict in people’s minds, as they know something is not quite right in the world and feel a lack of control or harmony. He then sets the parameters of what you could and couldn’t question right at the start and hence gained a form of control. He gradually introduces ideas, which although vague and improbably are not beyond the realms of possibility if you purport to be open minded. If you question too much he shuts the door on the knowledge you perhaps desperately feel a need for. He then plays on egoism in that you want to be one of the chosen ones and receive special benediction. If you have any doubts you are scared to show them as you feel that perhaps you are at fault. The moral of this story I suppose is how can we avoid enslavement in this new world paradigm if we cannot learn to speak up when in doubt. Perhaps we have to be brave enough to be more outspoken and more willing to use critical thinking, as that may be our best weapon. If we are willing to condone those who mislead and use subterfuge in an insidious way then we may as well accept slavery and welcome the New World Order as a necessary evil.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 03:03 AM
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I am well alive. I can't believe what has come to pass? The message was so simple so clear, yet it has been muddied, trampled, beaten?

I am well alive, and unharmed. To my knowledge Tenzin and Kvasir are not Illuminons, I am unaware of who they are. I don't know how or why they did what they did, but they apparently managed to derail and destroy my message. I am unaware if they are NIA, Remnant, or just sadistic individuals that wanted my message abolished. I left the thread because I thought my work done, and because it had grown tiresome to continue. But in my wildest dreams I had never thought it woudl be reduced to "a good story?" I'm mortified that my thread was violently killed. I left it in the people's hands for a short while, checking in periodically and before I realized it I coudl no longer post; then ATS closed down my thread. I had figured that it might be for the best that I couldn't log in, but I didn't imagine it was because of this?

I don't intend to stay because if these people got my IP address and duplicated it then an innocent is in danger; I just felt you all deserved the truth. Please stop those from derailing my message, stop Tenzin, stop Kvasir if ATS haven't yet. ATS'ers, Let love and light prevail, and stop those whom do not tread the luminous path. The message must live on in the light.

- Maban



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 08:00 AM
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Let's not jump to any conclusions. If we really want to find the truth I will post some more information.

There are two members of ATS:

DNFW_Megatron
DNFW_Magneto

They run a gaming server and a conspiracy site in Seattle. I won't post the address because I don't want them to get attacked, even if they are hoaxing us.

One of the players on their site was a guy named Maban. It appears he may have been banned from there in 2004.

The guy who runs the DNFW site has an email address (no longer working) of DNFW_Megatron@blahblahblah

The conspiracy site has several (some recently uploaded) Alex Jones videos.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by M-a-b-a-n
I am well alive, and unharmed. To my knowledge Tenzin and Kvasir are not Illuminons, I am unaware of who they are.


If you're really Maban then the only way what you have just said could be true is if "Tenzin" or whoever hacked or somehow gained access to your ATS and IM accounts, because you told me (privately) that "Tenzin" was one of "your people." Did you forget about that, "Maban?" You also acknowledged Tenzin publicly in your thread, and said he was off on "official duty" in Russia.





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