GPS system 'close to breakdown'

[edit on 5/19/2009 by greeneyedleo]

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I know that these systems have been very beneficial and have allowed for faster response times during accidents that have saved many lives, that being said, it is still not essential for life.

And to whomever said I was being naive about it being it being a cover. The thought did cross my mind, actually its still tumbling around in there, but until I think of at least one possible theory I'll leave empty blanket specualtion out of my reply.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by madhatr137

The same way I've gone to Leeds University to do a Master's Degree...its called a student loan. I went to Italy too while only on a pittance of a wage...I must have been in league with someone...clearly there were some shady dealings going on there...

What does that have to do with GPS systems falling into disrepair?

I am sorry you are claming that Harvard tuition is the same as this "Leeds university" you attended?....

Why didn't you attend Harvard if it is the same as this "Leed university" you attended?...

Oh boy, btw i was responding to what another member was asking....



[edit on 19-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

First, If you were responding to something someone else had said, then why on Earth were you quoting me? ...saying "Since you are asking about Obama..." ...me being the first one to mention the man by name in the thread...?

Secondly, how much the tuition at the university I attended is not important, because it is relevant to the exchange rate, since the univeristy is in England. But, if you must know, tuition alone for the year was about $18,500, as opposed to the approximately $32,000 that Harvard would cost. The point is, loans, grants, scholarships...there are lots of ways that people who, otherwise, would not be able to afford furthering their education can gain access to the funding necessary to do so.

Third, why I chose to go to Leeds University, which has one of the best political science departments in all of the UK, instead of Harvard, is none of your freaking business.

...I'm done here because its taking things off subject...

[edit on 19/5/09 by madhatr137]

I don't understand. If the GPS stytem could fail as early as next year then why are the census people marking coordinates on every front door in America RIGHT NOW for the 2010 Census?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

they must GPS mark the coordinates “within 40 ft of every front door” in America and they are supposed to complete that mission nation wide, within 90 days, by the end of July 2009. The workers were not told why they were GPS marking every front door. But a supervisor is sent out to follow them door-to-door, to make certain that no door is left unmarked. Every door will be marked by one employee, and then checked by a follow-up supervisor.

ACORN signed on as a national partner with the U.S. Census Bureau in February 2009 to assist with the recruitment of the 1.4 million temporary workers needed to go door-to-door to count every person in the United States — currently believed to be more than 306 million people. But the count doesn’t take place until 2010… This is April 2009.

canadafreepress.com...

[edit on 5/19/2009 by concerned190]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by dainoyfb
Some technical facts for your arguments:

1. The system uses the same satellites for the military and civilian part of the system so if part of the constellation fails then the military and civilians suffer equally.

2. The system cannot be overloaded by over use from civilians because it is like a radio station that broadcasts the same signal to everyone.

3. Content on ATS is greatly improved by those who research before they babble.

Really, I wonder why there would be black budget for spy satellites if the public can also use them?...
Before you start claiming people are babbling, read to your own babbling, and try to figure if it makes sense.

In case you didn't know there are several spy satellites, which does include GPS, which civilians do not have access to, and these are independent from the known GPS satellites which are used for everyday life, and even used for regular military operations...



[edit on 19-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

I'm sorry, I'm completely lost by your response. It seems you just tried to deflect my statement by expanding yours to suddenly include other spy satellite systems not related to or previously mentioned in this thread.

The fact is that someone mentioned that the system could be overloaded by over use, which is incorrect and based on a lack of knowledge of the basic operation of the GPS system. My "babble" simply sighted the correct information.

Someone also mentioned that if satellites went down that the military would hoard the remaining satellites for themselves. This also is not possible and once again I "babbled" to correct this. If you can find a reliable source to counter these technical points with me I am happy to listen. Other wise I'll rely on my 19 or so years of working on electronics involving GPS as my guide.

Who cares about the damn GPS system??. We didn't even have it until a couple decades ago and the world managed just fine. Another stupid frill that the idiot american now regards as essential. Let it fail.

reply to post by dainoyfb


You are mostly correct. Example: For me to use my NAV system to know where I am, and to get directions, my unit only recieves a signal. All the other calculations are done within my NAV system and there is no burden on the GPS system.

But. If someone is using GPS to track me, it is different. My signal is picked up and my location is sent to whoever wants my location.

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Yep, it was you who I responded to, and as you said noone else mentioned him so i wonder why you brought him up. I made a quesiton which yes, definetely has nothing to do with this, at least directly, but I made the question because you made the comment about Obama, which I do believe he has been put to be in the position he is in today because some powerful people wanted someone like him to transform the United States into a Socialist system.

I also do happen to beleive, and i don't care what you think nor your comments on it, that this is in turn associated with "everything" that has been happening including the government now saying the GPS could start failing starting next year.

BTW, you are right, i don't care why you graduated from this so wonderful "Leeds university", but then again, if you didn't want me to awnser, you shouldn't have made that comment in the first place.

I don't respond with submission when someone as yourself tries to belittle some statement I made to make yourself feel better for the day.

[edit on 19-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Imagine that, not spending money on needed and valued things for society, that continue civilized society, such as needed satellite technology or internet cables, which aren't even needed as there are satellites, but spend billions upon billions to bail out the wealthiest scum of the earth, and in prolonging unnecessary wars so a few of their friends can keep raking in the money. I suggest everyone make some noise about it.

No no...lets be clear here...Its just OUR GPS's that are failing...the government will maintain theirs with the billions of dollars they stash away mysteriously each year im sure.

Originally posted by searching4truth
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

I know that these systems have been very beneficial and have allowed for faster response times during accidents that have saved many lives, that being said, it is still not essential for life.

Well, tell that to the lives that are saved by this system.

I do believe that technology is necessary, even GPS, but there are some people who want this technology for something else, and they don't want the public to have acces to it, and i think this is the reason why this is being done. This is just about more control over people.

[edit on 19-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

reply to post by AceOfAces


ok I get it now. I thought it was the whole GPS system. I don't know why I thought the government would let go of such a valuable system for them. silly me

According to the article the government is saying this.

The impact on ordinary users could be significant, with millions of satnav users potential victims of bad directions or failed services. There would also be similar side effects on the military, which uses GPS for mapping, reconnaissance and for tracking hostile targets.

But as Ace is saying, I believe they will keep operational their own black budget spy satellites, which includes GPS, for whatever the government wants to use it. IMO this is just to not allow civilians the use of GPS, just as they want to take over our analog systems.




[edit on 19-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

What it all comes down to is civilization, and advancements. They don't put money in this area, because they have a secret plan to destroy advanced society and send us all back to the middle age serfdoms, with carts and horses, while they live secret hifi lives, cloned like gods to extend their lives for thousands of years. Its not going to happen.

Originally posted by mystiq
What it all comes down to is civilization, and advancements. They don't put money in this area, because they have a secret plan to destroy advanced society and send us all back to the middle age serfdoms, with carts and horses, while they live secret hifi lives, cloned like gods to extend their lives for thousands of years. Its not going to happen.

Mystiq, did you read the response i gave to the comment on the other thread we were discussing about the government supposedly getting ready for war with Russia? I do think this definetely has something to do with that, this plan to depopulate the world, and have more control over people.

[edit on 19-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Dammit! I just spent $600 on a new GPS thing for my car. I guess I could take it back but jeeeeeeeezzzzee!

What will this do to the GPS thing on my iPhone?

Originally posted by tamusan
reply to post by dainoyfb

 

You are mostly correct. Example: For me to use my NAV system to know where I am, and to get directions, my unit only recieves a signal. All the other calculations are done within my NAV system and there is no burden on the GPS system.

But. If someone is using GPS to track me, it is different. My signal is picked up and my location is sent to whoever wants my location.

"My signal"? What signal is that.? GPS receivers do not communicate with the system. There is no electronics in them capable of transmitting.

"You are mostly correct."

I am completely correct. GPS receivers do not transmit back to the GPS constellation. There are no electronic devices in a GPS receiver capable of doing this. Third parties unrelated to the GPS system use other devices (such as cell phones) in conjunction with GPS receivers in order to transmit location data from a GPS receiver to the third party in order to track you. These third party devices have nothing to due with the maintenance of the GPS constellation which is the topic of this thread.

Just to clarify GPS receivers on their own do not have the physical capability to transmit location information back to the GPS network. A cell phone (or other device) is required in order for someone to track the location of your GPS.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I agree. But can't emphasize enough to people to jump up and down and make a lot of noise for once. Come on guys, its serious. We cannot allow them to do this to the world and our people anymore.

reply to post by dainoyfb

are you military or civilian? What do you know about the entire GPS capability? I am a retired USAF communication/navigation master technician. Want to see my retiree ID card and training records? I'll take a picture and put it up.

Anything that can use the GPS to recieve a signal can also be tracked.

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I take that back. Not all GPS can be tracked. Hand helds like the TomTom can only receive. Units like the NAV system in my Mercedes 450 do send back a signal.