Old Nazibase in Antarctica?, page 1
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Topic started on 19-5-2009 @ 08:41 AM by m4ng4n
There are many stories about the Nazis concerning that they had a submarine base in Neu Schwabenland, part of Queen Maud land (Norway).

Personally I don´t doubt it one bit but then the story goes on that they established a base on the same spot at the end of the war wich was supposed to be a base for the Haunebu and VRIL flying discs?

There are huge amounts of material concerning the Nazis development of flying discs and experimentation with antigravity using Tesla technology and technology developed by german scientists.

In 1938, Nazi Germany sent an expedition to Antarctica with a mission to investigate sites for a possible base and to make formal claims in the name of the Third Reich. To prepare them for their mission, they invited the great polar explorer Richard E. Byrd to lecture them on what to expect. The following year, a month after hostilities had commenced in Europe, the Germans returned to Neuschwabenland to finish what had been started, with many suggesting that a base was being constructed.

Nine years later, Richard E. Byrd, who by now had become an Admiral in the United States Navy, was sent to Antarctica with the largest task force ever assembled for a polar mission. In Admiral Byrd's own words, the mission (code-named 'Highjump') was "primarily of a military nature".

Many claim that the task force was sent to eradicate a secret Nazi base in Queen Maud Land, which the Nazis had renamed Neuschwabenland and which had never been explored as profoundly as the rest of the Antarctic. But, and the big but is, the fact that Admiral Byrd spoke of "flying objects that could fly from pole to pole at incredible speeds" 2 and with well-documented German activity before, during and in the immediate aftermath of World War II, one can't help but wonder whether there is some truth in the Nazi Antarctica myth. Even so, could Operation Highjump and Byrd's quotes have overshadowed the truth about British excursions in Antarctica by way of misinformation, bringing attention to his mission and, by doing so, making sure that history only remembered one mysterious Antarctic mission?

A few years later under the cover of the international geophysical year, the United States again sent a naval task force to the Antarctic. The use of military force – including atomic weapons! – was "covered" by the ridiculous story that the USA and USSR, in a rare moment of nuclear cooperation during the height of the Cold War, were interested in seeing how much of the continent could be "recovered" for use by warming it with nuclear explosions! Accordingly, it would be necessary to explode a few small nuclear "devices" for above the continent to warm and melt the ice as a proof of concept!

As Henry Stevens aptly quips, "You already know exactly where in Antarctica they planned to explode these atomic bombs."

Three bombs were thus detonated at an altitude of approximately 300 miles above the target, one on August 27, 1958, one on August 30, 1958, and a third on September 6, 1958. [Stevens also notes that these bursts may have something to do with the "ozone hole" over the South Pole and the us government's reluctance to discuss the idea or the events that may have caused it. Additionally, perhaps it is possible that one atom bomb from each of the world's then nuclear powers, the US, the USSR, and the UK, were used.] If these bursts were indeed intended secretly against an actual target, then why so high? Stevens hypothesizes that they were to knock out any German equipment in the region by the strong electromagnetic pulse that results from a nuclear detonation. Stevens also notes that these bursts may have something to do with the "ozone hole" over the South Pole and the US government's reluctance to discuss the idea or the events that may have caused it.

Of course since this is mostly concerning military operations true facts are hard to find!


reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 09:45 AM by jdub297
reply to post by m4ng4n


So, if this is credible, then CFCs have nothing to do with the ozone hole and we should ignore the warnings that forced changes in refrigeration and cooling systems at consumer expense.

Have you shared this with the Sierra Club, Greenpeace and the World Wildlife Fund? Howabout the USGS and NOAA? Think they'd like to know what caused ozone depletion?

If this is not credible, why not post with caveats and qualifications?

Clive Cussler's 1999 "Atlantis Found" explores the "Nazi base" scenario quite vividly and thoroughly, with remnants of Nazi technology revived and exploited by sinister villains bent on world domination.

But, it goes even further.

Glyphs, signs and temples, scattered around the world, are tied to an ancient civilization with ties to the stars and determined to keep their secrets hidden untill an advanced-enough civilization was able to re-populate the Earth, once destroyed by a wandering, maverick celestial body that approaches Earth at millenium-spanning intervals.

Sound familiar? Sounds like the basis of dozens of ATS threads with "proof" and conjecture offered, but never supported.

Will you give Mr. Cussler the credit and attribution he deserves under copyright laws, or are you willing to run with this "hypothesis" to see how far you can go and how many "S and F" posts you can reap before it goes to sleep?

Deny ignorance.

jw


[edit on 19-5-2009 by jdub297]


reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 01:50 PM by m4ng4n
reply to post by jdub297



Or do you wear pink slippers on a daily basis?

Most people are aware of the mainstory here and this is parts taken out of it´s context and I´m not fokusing on environmental issues here.
On the same hand this is not some copyrighted material but a story based on facts, rumours and tales and since we´re in the conspiracy forum I think I got the right to speculate...

But what I am interested in is where the truth lies?
I do not know the truth about it but I´m very interested in finding it!

And looking for S&F? Look whos talking?
I´m not interested in some hunt for useless points, what am I gonna do with them? Eat them?

If you want to be a part of the serious question I´m putting forward here I´d prefer if you stick to the subject and don´t mix in other views that has nothing to do with it!

The question is pretty simple,. If there is some truth to the subject, what happened then?


reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 02:35 PM by jdub297
Originally posted by m4ng4n
Or do you wear pink slippers on a daily basis?


What the hell does that mean? (my daily habits aren't really your business or relevant to your "story".)
Attack the messenger. A true sign of weak ability and reasoning.

Detonation of nukes "300 miles" above the surface? Were they in orbit?
Whose planes 'flew' 300 miles high in 1958?

Craft that flew from "pole to pole?" Hogwash!

Want the truth? I didn't think so, because fairy tales are so much more interesting.

Here it is:
While there is something undoubtedly seductive about the idea of a secret Nazi base in Antarctica, in the absence of proofs for its existence one is left wondering if one might not be dealing with the literature of the absurd as represented by such works as von Daniken’s (1968)
Chariots of the Gods: unsolved mysteries of the past,
which interweave the gold of fact with the dross of speculation, invention, and misrepresentation.
The burden of proof should fall on the shoulders of those making the claims. It is not sufficient to propose an idea and then claim that the hypothesis is untestable because the evidence for it has been covered up.
"Hitler’s Antarctic base: the myth and the reality"
Colin Summerhayes, Peter Beeching
Scott Polar Research Institute, University of Cambridge, LensfieldRoad, Cambridge CB21ER Polar Record; 43(224):1–2 (2007)

www.scribd.com...

How about some authority? Some citations and references?

The "Polar Record" article, peer-reviewed and published in a scientific journal, is replete with maps, quotes, references and evidence.

I showed you mine; now show ATS yours. (Without personal attacks, if you are capable.)

Deny ignorance.

jw



reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 03:07 PM by jdub297
reply to post by Essan


This entire fantasy can be picked apart line by line, but do we really need to waste the time?

Anyone who wants to believe will believe. Any who want the truth will read the entire thread and move on.

jw


reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 05:50 PM by m4ng4n
reply to post by jdub297



My point wasn´t to attack your person, just to compare the relevancy with your text where you compare the subject with things not relevant to the topic.

I was expecting this debunking by several persons and to state a fact:

I DIDN´T COME UP WITH THE STORY!

Someone else did, and as I stated in the beginning there are many stories concerning the subject based on facts, rumours and tales. Which of them that tells the truth is for someone else to decide but in MY eyes there´s to much material concerning the matter to debunk the whole thing as nonsens and humbug.

I´m not a geologist but as I´ve understood from photographs said to have been taken on Antarctica everything doesn´t seem to be covered in ice so to me there´s a great possibility that the Nazis or someone else for that matter could have established a base in a more humane climate.
I´ve never been there so I can´t tell what it looks like so the only thing I can base my thoughts on is whatever material I can come over.

The Nazis had submarinebases all over the world so why not in Antarctica?

With that said you can miscredit me all you want as I´ve seen other Antarctica treads has been, some worth the effort some not.
But it seems like one can follow a thin red line in all of the treads and that´s that everytime the subject of Antarctica comes to the surface there are various persons that always try to deny it so hard that one wonders if there actually is a continent in that part of the world?

Why put so much effort to it?

And why is it so impossible to skylift a nuke in 1958 concidering that 3 americans were rocketed to the moon 11 years later with the technology of german scientists?

And if you consider that most industrial countries in the world are interested in the continent as of today, why wouldn´t the Nazis be back in the late 1930´s? What did they find interesting then that´s as interesting today?

If they did establish themselves there how come you seldom hear about some other country establishing a base there in those days?

If it´s for the case of natural resources wouldn´t it be of great interest back then when there´s a shortage of supplies?

But it seems like everytime one brings the continent to the surface it´s the lid on and loads of miscrediting of every letter by an OP?

Even my opening line was written so that it couldn´t possibly be misunderstood...

Something aint right here...


reply posted on 20-5-2009 @ 03:57 PM by jdub297
reply to post by Ellirium113


Deployment of an aircraft carrier (necessary for air reconaissance) requires deployment of support craft. Did you think aircraft carriers just wander the seas unprotected?

The fact that a group of support craft accompanies an aircraft carrier on any deployment means "zero." They are always there.

Thee are no Nazis in Antarctica. Not now, not in 1960, not in 1950. (Unless they work the the U.S., U.K., Scandinavia, or Russia in their survey and science teams.)

jw


reply posted on 20-5-2009 @ 06:24 PM by Ellirium113
reply to post by jdub297



So the US military is complacent in allocating unlimited funds to a large battle group for a casual antarctic cruise? You offer no evidence to refute any such research done by a multitude of researchers. There may not be a "BASE" there but the fact that they went says for itself that they believed something was there, and they had sent Byrd to find it. These are the facts There is documented evidence the Nazi's had sent expeditions to the antactic in the 30's, it's a fact.



reply posted on 20-5-2009 @ 08:55 PM by jdub297
Originally posted by Ellirium113
reply to
post by jdub297

You offer no evidence to refute any such research done by a multitude of researchers. ...

Give me the "research done by a multitude of researchers" and I'll show you that they are no more credible than Santa Claus.

Saying it's true doesn't make it so.

Now, you may not know that I'm clairvoyant, but I know what you are going to do next.

Cite junk. Post hearsay. Claim "common knowledge."

See, I knew it.

Show me a credible source. Be prepared, becuse I will take apart anything that is based on junk science.

See, I've made my living on cutting up posers that offer junk science as fact.

I believe there are EBEs; I've seen UFOs. But I will rail against disinfo campaigns that impugn the credibility of study and documentation of legitimately unexplained phenomena.

jw


reply posted on 21-5-2009 @ 10:10 AM by Ellirium113
reply to post by jdub297



Quoted from David Wilcox on project Camelot site.. Antarctic Nazi Base



I also have a mysterious testimony that came in, via a colleague, from a Russian scientist who quoted a series of books that he claims all have bits and pieces of this story. The basis of the Russian’s story is that a major Lemurian base existed in Antarctica, with the species still living and working there, and the Nazis formed a pact with them during World War II. This completely correlates with what I heard. I have been sitting on this and haven’t even told you about it before, and now we see the same thing in an entirely different form.



Antarctic Nazi base : The Omega Files

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