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Disclosure before the end of the month, True?? False?? We shall soon see!

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posted on May, 20 2009 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by warrenb
reply to post by theflashor
 


Let's be preemptive and do a monthly new topic called "Disclosure before the end of the month", each month of every year until disclosure; if and whenever that may be.





I only posted this because the us government has been threatened that if they dont disclose by the end of the month, the staff at the X Con will.




posted on May, 20 2009 @ 11:30 PM
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Friend, there are many forces at work - and knowledge you just are not ready for.

I'm not complaining about how others seek "the truth." I'm simply saying that they are not seeking the truth at all, but rather seeking justification for their misplaced ideals.

It's really simple. There is enough data out there that documents events that go beyond our present understanding of the universe to warrant a serious evaluation by the scientific community. We are still running around worshipping said events or ducking our heads in the sand in hope they will go away.

Until we, as humans, can see what is plainly in front of our face without dressing it up into something out of our dreams/nightmares - then we're simply not ready for some knowledge.

Our government is not criminal. Misguided - it is quite often. However, if I were to hold you at gunpoint and ask you to tell me the name of the clown you ate four days ago - you'd come up with the same answer each and every time "I didn't eat a clown" and/or "You are crazy." You seek knowledge of things and events that have not happened/existed, and in a context that is horribly skewed.

If you want the truth - you must seek the truth - not seek justification for what you believe to be true.

That said - any programs dealing with UFOs are designed so that a cover story is in place for just about any one or two of the cells working on the project being compromised. The U.S. and British intelligence agencies are the most effective in the world.

It all boils down to one thing - you can't trust anyone's account. There are three possibilities - the person is crazy/lying, the person is a spook for counter-intel, or the person is telling the truth (with any degree of accuracy about what they saw). The last possibility is also open to the possibility that they were fed disinformation and played like a fiddle.

You can usually tell when someone is crazy or lying. That leaves the other two possibilities. Unfortunately - they are pretty much impossible to figure out from their testimony or looking at their personal background. So you never know when your 'disclosure' is just more fodder for the tin-foil hat crowd and the enemy's intel.

I'd get into how valuable such strategies are in the intelligence wars - but I'd probably be revealing more than is wise (though anyone with a brain can figure out how useful the strategy is both as a defense and offensive strategy) - and chew up more characters than is necessary.

You can continue to attach malevolent goals to our government. There certainly are tendencies that are malevolent - but they stem from society in the form of complacency. But it does not make many of the programs that are out there malevolent.

It pisses us all off that we don't know - that there is stuff going on we want the answer to. The reality is, however, that you don't want to know what all goes on. I get to talk to some people involved in the intelligence community. Every day some rather nasty plots are foiled by our various monitoring systems that we all know exist. I know some of the people who are likely to be operating such systems (though whether or not they do is classified information in and out of itself) - they are 'just another person' - they laugh at jokes, have ideas and ideals, etc.

It's the same in any community - even the ones working on any ET craft we've ever recovered.

It's a pandora's box. Once you find the technology - it becomes a matter of who you want running around with the keys to it. Seeing how the average person handles a car - and many pilots handle aircraft.... I think we can hold off on distributing the very existence of a space-capable vehicle.



posted on May, 20 2009 @ 11:33 PM
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I've been looking around on the xcon website and googling it but I can't see any reference to what they might have that would be that dramatic or conclusive?



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 12:06 AM
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The black-ops is a highly compartmentalized structure and everybody that operates there operates on a need to know basis. I do not dispute that people that work there do not have opinions, ideals and dreams, and there are some good guys there, but what I do dispute is that the elite in this black-ops structure are withholding disclosure to protect us from ourselves. I think it is nothing but propoganda they feed to their workers so that their workers do not feel guilty about covering ET up, but instead feel that they are doing humanity a service by covering up. Even if that service involves the occasional assassination of whistle blowers.

The real intent behind this black-ops structure is completely malevolent. The elite are using the knowledge to further their own power base, and have no intention to share it with others. Much less share it with others, they see themselves as god-men and their mind has become so sick, they feel that can make god-like decisions for us common people. They can choose who lives and who dies.

The real reason disclosure must happen is that these god-men must be exposed to the common man and their power taken away from them. That is what these elite fear the most, the day when the common man finds out about them and takes away their power. This is why disclosure has not happened and will not happen until the power structures are exposed.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 01:43 AM
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I see you have done your research my friend!



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 02:49 AM
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You know that they will never release the information of the aliens. And if they actually do then they will just give us a false report about what happens. They are like the stuck up preps inside highschools no matter how much you try to get anything out of them to make you happy they always lie to make you feel better or just dont talk back at all lol . Im just saying this i used to be the same way to people. Then i stopped because it was wrong



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 02:49 AM
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You know that they will never release the information of the aliens. And if they actually do then they will just give us a false report about what happens. They are like the stuck up preps inside highschools no matter how much you try to get anything out of them to make you happy they always lie to make you feel better or just dont talk back at all lol . Im just saying this i used to be the same way to people. Then i stopped because it was wrong



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 03:18 AM
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ok lets start disclosing all the information our selfs lets start here on ATS..

See my most recent post here on ATS, it should clarify the seriousness and how real this situation actually is to anybody that dont really understand it.

Be sure to listen to the recent sound clip i have uploaded from the Disclosure Project in 2001,

The truth surrounding UFO’s / Aliens, For the newbies!
www.abovetopsecret.com...



[edit on 21/5/2009 by theflashor]



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 07:47 AM
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The problem is nobody listens to this subject unless those goons on cnn or fox tell them.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child
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Even if that service involves the occasional assassination of whistle blowers.


Whistle blowers are not the benevolent beings you want them to be. That said - never underestimate to what ends these programs will be shrouded in disinformation. People die and are reborn every day - it's a business not only for the police, but for illegal immigrants and visitors. Nothing gets a pack of truthers riled up like someone "going to reveal the truth" and suffering a 'fatal accident' before they get the chance.

If someone works in one of those programs and is going to tell you something - they will never announce it - they will just tell you. If they announce it - they are so naive that I wouldn't trust their testimony - or part of a disinfo plot.


The real intent behind this black-ops structure is completely malevolent. The elite are using the knowledge to further their own power base, and have no intention to share it with others. Much less share it with others, they see themselves as god-men and their mind has become so sick, they feel that can make god-like decisions for us common people. They can choose who lives and who dies.


Have you learned nothing from the past sixty years?

The Russians infiltrated our weapons programs and advanced their nuclear program by a few decades. To make matters worse - they got most of the rocketry research/technology from the Germans (spoils of war) which gave rise to the nuclear arms race and the race to militarize space.

Let's just repeat the same thing with China and some kind of temporal-disruption device. We won't blast our planet to hell - we'll just quantum-shift it to a million different random locations.

The less we know about what our black programs know - the better. They do not make decisions regarding your daily lives. They do not impede our progress (in fact, much of the technology developed by those black programs later sees use on the civilian market once the technology becomes marketable - it's contractors who do much of the work).

The purpose of black programs is to keep every country on the planet from having the technology to wreak whatever kind of havoc they want.

It's far from ideal - I'd like to think we could all behave ourselves with technology garnished from crashed ET craft - I'd like to think we could all handle the presence of ETs.

But the reality is that we can't. We are aggressive, arrogant creatures. We are not used to answering to anything more than our idea of a deity - from God, to Man - that's our understanding of the heirarchy. And quite frankly - many people are too ignorant to adjust their understanding of the world - and we just gave them technology (admitting the presence of something means the project will be infiltrated - look at the F-35 that China has had infiltrated for years).

Guess what we'll be trying to do..... enforce our understanding of the heirarchy on aliens. It may sound crazy - but we'll do it. Whether we view ourselves as the premier predator of the planet, or God's second-in-command of the planet...... many will respond to the presence/confirmation of ETs with hostility.

Everything will come in due time. Privatized space travel is a few decades away; give or take. We have the medical understanding to prolong our natural lives indefinitely - there's probably some corporation working on it as we speak (albeit, very quietly). We're on the verge of change (we always are, it seems) - things will become clearer.

But getting everything all-at-once would simply be an overdose.


The real reason disclosure must happen is that these god-men must be exposed to the common man and their power taken away from them. That is what these elite fear the most, the day when the common man finds out about them and takes away their power. This is why disclosure has not happened and will not happen until the power structures are exposed.


Disclosure is not necessary. Technology garnished from any craft or treaties gets disseminated onto the civilian market in due time. I'm not going to name any specifics - a million different theories exist for what technologies come from downed ET craft, and it's rather pointless to try to figure out which ones are it. It's safer to say we got the idea from ET designs, and did the best we could with what we had.

As far as the existence of ETs? Well - if you look at the sky long enough, and read enough history - it should be pretty obvious. However, for those not as observant - we will get into space soon enough, and that should resolve many reservations.

There is no need to rush it. Portable cameras are getting more powerful and more affordable - it's only a matter of time before the general population comes to an understanding, and the white-light programs develop around that understanding.



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Aim64C

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
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Even if that service involves the occasional assassination of whistle blowers.


With all due respect Aim64C, but I think you have been taken in by the black ops propoganda. You genuinely seem to believe that they are benign and have our best interests in heart, but this goes against the facts of what they actually do:


Whistle blowers are not the benevolent beings you want them to be. That said - never underestimate to what ends these programs will be shrouded in disinformation. People die and are reborn every day - it's a business not only for the police, but for illegal immigrants and visitors. Nothing gets a pack of truthers riled up like someone "going to reveal the truth" and suffering a 'fatal accident' before they get the chance.

If someone works in one of those programs and is going to tell you something - they will never announce it - they will just tell you. If they announce it - they are so naive that I wouldn't trust their testimony - or part of a disinfo plot.


Please correct me if I am wrong, but it is not the while blowers that are assassinating black-ops, it is the black ops that are assassinating the whistle blowers. No surprises then that my sympathies are with the whistle blowers and not the black ops government.

I like your attempt at trying to rationalise murder(cycles of life and death, eh?) but at the end of the day an assassination is murder, and the assasins are murderers. It is a crime, which makes the black-ops government criminals. So please do not be surprised why I am having a hard time accepting your proposition that they are benevolent. If I go by facts they are anything but benevolent, and to boot, they have commited treason against the people and are murderers.


The purpose of black programs is to keep every country on the planet from having the technology to wreak whatever kind of havoc they want.



But the reality is that we can't. We are aggressive, arrogant creatures. We are not used to answering to anything more than our idea of a deity - from God, to Man - that's our understanding of the heirarchy. And quite frankly - many people are too ignorant to adjust their understanding of the world - and we just gave them technology (admitting the presence of something means the project will be infiltrated - look at the F-35 that China has had infiltrated for years).

Guess what we'll be trying to do..... enforce our understanding of the heirarchy on aliens. It may sound crazy - but we'll do it. Whether we view ourselves as the premier predator of the planet, or God's second-in-command of the planet...... many will respond to the presence/confirmation of ETs with hostility.


No offense, but these opinions sound like somebody who has been brainwashed. So they are telling you, we common humans are "arrogant" we cannot handle ET presence, we are too immature and stupid. Geez, now I understand why the black-ops workers have no problem with the black-ops government plans to depopulate the planet. If they really believe we are inferior things, then they would have no problem with the government plans? Of course, one man, called Phill Schneider did not fall for the black-ops propoganda and defected. He's told us all what "they" have planned for us, and guess what, the benevolent black-ops assassinated him.


Everything will come in due time. Privatized space travel is a few decades away; give or take. We have the medical understanding to prolong our natural lives indefinitely - there's probably some corporation working on it as we speak (albeit, very quietly). We're on the verge of change (we always are, it seems) - things will become clearer.


We are on the verge of a total takeover by the god-men you are supporting here. The technology is never going to be for commercial use, because if it was, they would have revealed it ages ago. Why should we still break out backs over oil and paying bills, when we can have free-energy. Why waste billions of dollars on space rockets, when we have antigravity technology.

I for one am not falling for the propoganda. They do not have our best interests in mind and their actions speaks volumes for that.

Ask yourself why humans today are "arrogant", "immature" and "stupid"? Nobody is born arrogant, immature and stupid, we are socialised into it. The program that the black-ops run that runs society is what has dumbed humanity down. They are the ones creating the problems, they are the ones trying to solve the problems they created. If they really had our best interests in mind they would be educating the world, not dumbing it down.


Disclosure is not necessary. Technology garnished from any craft or treaties gets disseminated onto the civilian market in due time. I'm not going to name any specifics - a million different theories exist for what technologies come from downed ET craft, and it's rather pointless to try to figure out which ones are it. It's safer to say we got the idea from ET designs, and did the best we could with what we had.

As far as the existence of ETs? Well - if you look at the sky long enough, and read enough history - it should be pretty obvious. However, for those not as observant - we will get into space soon enough, and that should resolve many reservations.

There is no need to rush it. Portable cameras are getting more powerful and more affordable - it's only a matter of time before the general population comes to an understanding, and the white-light programs develop around that understanding.


Disclosure is very necessary in fact. Why should we continue to believe we are alone in the universe, when we are not? As soon as disclosure happens the paradigm shift would be so revolutionary, that previous revolutions would pale to insignificance. Not only will this open up new potentials for cultural and technological development, but also spiritual development. I would much prefer to live in a civilisation which is a part of the universe, then one that is isolated from it.

The real reason the black-ops are preventing disclosure is because as soon the universe is opened up to humanity the illegal power structures they have built, the propoganda they feed us, and the potentials they have hidden from us will be out in the open and humanity will no longer be a slave to anybody.

You will find upon critical introspection that what they are telling you is false propoganda. They really do not have our best interests in mind, and they would rather that most of us are killed off, so they can control the remaining population better. They are insecure and evil, and though they will win the battle, they will lose the war. Just as darkness cannot exist in the presence of light, likewise evil cannot exist in the presence of divinity. They will be destroyed eventually, evil never wins in the end.

[edit on 21-5-2009 by Indigo_Child]



posted on May, 21 2009 @ 11:46 PM
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It is not going to happen - there is not going to be a jaw-dropping world-shaking announcement this month.

If the government wants to disclose, this is not the time.
Based on several reports and models they will do it slowly.

Which they might already be doing. As much talk as there is on ATS about "MEDIA CONTROL...."

Take a look at television programs. If there was complete dominant control of mass media - and there is complete dominant control of all UFO evidence, would we have shows on mass media like "UFO Hunters" etc.?

As a non-skeptic, I'll step out on a limb here. It's just as much the fault of the UFOlogy community as it is the Gov's.

The UFOlogy community completely lacks credibility and that is what the Govt wants.

If you want disclosure, you are going to have to organise openly, just like a civil rights movement (Not to detract from any other legitimate Civil Rights Movements). This time the movement is to make ET's a part of our society.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 12:26 AM
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Could this new find regarding the fossil be related to disclosure. Could this be the reason they may say reptilians look like reptilians, but we have evolved slightly different. So that when disclosure is made we wont run about like we are being attacked by flesh eating monsters. I find it funny how they say this has been kept secret for 2 years and is only revealed at then end of this month in may. At very short notice.

Just speculating,



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 02:51 AM
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Originally posted by theflashor
Could this new find regarding the fossil be related to disclosure. Could this be the reason they may say reptilians look like reptilians, but we have evolved slightly different. So that when disclosure is made we wont run about like we are being attacked by flesh eating monsters. I find it funny how they say this has been kept secret for 2 years and is only revealed at then end of this month in may. At very short notice.

Just speculating,


Speculating on your speculation:

Given the age of the universe and the age of Sol and earth, would it not make sense for other beings from other solar systems to be millions of years more advanced than us, IF they dodged a K/T Extinction event?



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 03:56 AM
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yes but,

what i am getting at is that "maybe" its possible that they would of taken different steps in evolution as now we have evolved to look like humans, they have taken the more reptilian "Scales" looking steps.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 04:13 AM
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I'm not saying what they look like.
Just saying.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 04:26 AM
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I do hope so! Then so many of Ats posters will have to find a new stance in their argumentative attitudes.
This is something I've been waiting for since I was 10 y.o.
They dribble us little bits ( remember the supposed meteor from Mars?).
There are enough credible people comming forward whomm are even willing to take an oath before U.S. congressional hearing; Astronauts, ex-nasa, govt. etc.
When I say? None too soon.
It'll give us a new lease- and quell alot of the religious fanantics??



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 07:47 AM
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don’t get me wrong I understand the implications on how it will turn the world on its head but I think people would instantly become more aware of life and as a result become more spiritually evolved. Then we can change our world for the better, because I seriously believe if we carry on the way we are we are going to be going the way of the dinosaurs. It’s the kick up the ass we need in my view.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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Can anyone recall the ufo incident, where a ufo landed near a home in a wooded area and aliens supposedly entered the home, somehow put all the people in a trance except the mother, or something like that?



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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All I know is one thing in a war zone there's only one thing that will kill you! And it ain't bullets ,guns or bombs! It the lack of information!

But that is what the governments are doing to us by not telling us what they know! These alien ships come and go as they please, across what ever boarder they choose.It's time for the governments to spill there guts on this issue "what the hell are these things are in the sky!

Personally if a commanding officer sent you out on a op without any situational intel what so ever and something serious did occur. You would make sure something bad happen to that particular person!

So I think the governments are basically let us walk into a minefield, Unfortunately the information ET's is just to big and encompassing to allow them to hold this information any longer.

But I'm of the view like some here that the governments are practically useless and a private messieurs should be perused in the case of disclosure.

The question is how do we the populace make contact with these space folk and deal out the so called authorities?

I thought it might be a good idea to put on the net and ask these entity's to be at a particular earth coordinates at a particular time. At least that way we can know they monitor the internet.That could be be a good start i think.

So what do you think?







 
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