reply to post by Deus Ex Machina 42
Soul = consciousness. So if you have a soul or not is simple a matter if you are conscious and know what it means "to be". If you are an
observer, then you have a soul.
Creation = logic. Logic which creates laws and such like physics. The universe is based on this, and it has no free will. It is unable to observe
anything, it is not conscious, it has no free will etc. Just like a program on your PC, it just follows the patterns(laws) given to it. Matter is
just data in the equation following those laws.
Consciousness gives reason, understanding and so forth. God is pure consciousness, which just is. If you really start to think about this and
understand that you are consciousness you will soon realize it is impossible for you to not exist. If there is no consciousness to observe it, then
it wouldn't be there. "to be, or not to be".
Think of the universe as being like a video game. Like WoW. You make a character in WoW, you play that character. The WoW world and the character
itself defines the experience. However, it doesn't actually define "you". "You" are the consciousness behind it. This is the same of your
physical body. The body and this world define your experience, your ride. But they do not define you.
You attach these things to yourself. It's "your body", "your brain". If these are the things that make you, then why are they your possession?
Even the soul/consciousness we put into terms of a possession. But who is it that is actually in possession? That bit of "being" inside you,
that is something that exists beyond possession. The soul and "you" is an individual piece of consciousness within a bigger one, so it is then a
"possession". Like an individual drop of water in an ocean.
Your eyes collect light, your ears collect sound waves. Both are turned into electrical signals which travel from the sense to the brain. At which
point, they are then converted back into the images you see and hear. To whom or what are these things presented to?
So what you are really talking about is how long does the ride last. And that I do not know. But eventually, all things that are of
god(consciousness) will return to god. That journey back is the point. It may very well be that after we die, we immediately return back to the
source and that is the end of "you" as an individual. Although I can also certainly understand a much longer journey/existence. Losing your
individuality is the death of the soul, and is not considered something you'd really want. You will be returning to the father, so it wouldn't be
a "hell", but you would just cease to exist. All will eventually do this however.
You see everything rotting into the ground after death because you see yourself as being flesh and only flesh. The body is just a tool/vessel that
in itself follows the law of physics(from the dust of the earth). You haven't experienced the 2nd birth, where you realize and know that is not the
So with Jesus, he speaks of 2 births. 1 is the birth of the flesh, from Joseph and Mary. The other birth is the birth of the soul/consciousness
which fills the body, and that is of the father(god).
It's hard for people to understand as long as they see themselves as being only flesh. I never understood anything until I found out that isn't the
case. Read the exact same bible verses, didn't mean anything to me. Now when I read them I see an understanding men had never told or shown me. I
didn't find answers in the bible, but I seen them repeated there.