reply to post by moocowman
Dude, how's the riding and the weight? I found this, something I put together a while back....I remember you mentioned I had a complicated faith...so
I thought I'd break it down a bit...thoughts?
1) Did you know Jesus’ Words make no sense, unless he’s God. See here for possible options… www.abovetopsecret.com...
a. Mark 13:31-His Words even out last TIME itself. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away
b. Matt 7:21-23-His says people’s eternity rest on Him. Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he
who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name
drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
c. John 8:46-He claims absolute perfection! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin
d. John 15:5, John 17:10. I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do
nothing……..Note: this is another passage that makes no sense without a divine Jesus. How could the phrase 'apart from me you can do nothing'
make any sense--if Jesus were not God--omnipotent, omnipresent deity? John 17.10: All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. -- Note that Jesus is
praying to God in this verse
2) Did you know He is PRE-EXISTENT?
a. John 3:13- No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven -- the Son of Man
b. John 6:38- For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me
c. John 8:23- But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world"
d. John 8:58,59-"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" At this, they picked up stones to stone him--Notice: This
statement actually goes beyond pre-existence--it is an explicit claim to be YHWH
3) Did you know He can be everywhere AT THE SAME TIME?
a. Matt 18:20- For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."
b. Matthew 28:20- And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
4) Did you know He is ALL POWERFUL?
a. Matthew 28:18- Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."
b. Mark 4:41- They were terrified and asked each other, "Who is this? Even the wind and the waves obey him!"
Luke 4:36- All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What is this teaching? With authority and power he gives orders to evil spirits and
they come out!"
c. Luke 4:38-40- Jesus … rebuked the fever, and it left her. She got up at once and began to wait on them. When the sun was setting, the people
brought to Jesus all who had various kinds of sickness, and laying his hands on each one, he healed them.
d. John 1:3- Through him [Jesus] all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made
e. John 5:27- And he [God] has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man."
f. John 6:37, 39-: "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away… I shall lose none of all that he
has given me, but raise them up at the last day"
g. John 10:17, 18-"… I lay down my life… I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again"
5) Did you know He asked for and ACCEPTED Worship?
a. Jeremiah 17:5-Jewish pre-requisite: This is what the Lord says: "Cursed is the one who trusts in man…"
b. Matthew 4:10- Jesus said to him… "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only"
c. Mark 9:42-"And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin…"
d. John 9:35-38- Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" "Who is he, sir?"
the man asked. "Tell me so that I may believe in him." Jesus said, "You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you." Then the man
said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshipped him.
6) Did you know He has ALL Authority?
a. To forgive sins?
i. Mark 2:5-10- When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven." Now some teachers of the law were sitting
there, thinking to themselves, "Why does this fellow talk like that? He's blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?" Immediately Jesus knew
in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, "Why are you thinking these things? Which is easier: to say
to the paralytic, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, take your mat and walk'? But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority
on earth to forgive sins...."
ii. Luke 7:48,49- Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven." The other guests began to say among themselves, "Who is this who even forgives
b. Over angels? Over the Sabbath? Over who goes to Heaven?
i. Mark 13:26-27- "At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And he will send his angels and gather his
elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
ii. Mark 2:28- So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
iii. Matt 5:17-"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them…"
iv. Luke 10:19- I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you
v. John 17:2- For you granted him authority over all people
vi. Luke 22:29- And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me
7) Did you know HE IS EQUAL TO GOD? He’s called the Son of God- A son is of the same nature, the same species, the same essence, as his father.
Jesus called God his Father, thereby saying that he is of the same nature as God. Jesus makes it clear that he is not just 'a son of God' or one of
the 'sons of God' but 'the son of God' (the phrase 'sons of God' is sometimes used to refer to men or angels in the Old Testament). In every
instance where Jesus refers to himself as 'God's Son', or to God as 'my Father', he implies that he is the one and only Son of God; co-equal and
co-eternal with God.
a. Matthew 16.15-17: "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ [Messiah], the Son of the
living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven."
b. Mark 14.62: Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" "I am," said Jesus.
c. John 5.17-23: Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." For this reason the Jews tried all
the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. Jesus gave
them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father
does the Son also does. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than
these. For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. Moreover, the Father
judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does
not honor the Father, who sent him. Sources: www.knowwhatyoubelieve.com...
d. John 15:23-He equate himself with God. He who hates me hates my Father as well.
e. John 5:22-He says He should be honored like God. Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor
the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him
f. John 12:44 & John 14:9-He says if you’ve seen me you’ve seen God. “When a man… looks at me, he sees the one who sent me” and “Anyone
who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”
g. John 8:19-He said if you knew Him, you know God. “If you knew me, you would know my Father also.
h. Luke 19:43, 43-He says He (God) came to the Jewish people. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and
encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on
another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you."
• John 5:17-He operates with God. Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." For this reason
the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with
i. John 10:30-39-He claims complete equality with God. “I and the Father are one." 31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus
said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" 33 "We are not stoning you for any of
these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." 34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law,
'I have said you are gods'? 35 If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came -- and the Scripture cannot be broken -- 36 what about the
one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? 37
Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. 38 But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and
understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father." 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.”
In summary…Jesus is said to be…
Pre-existent "before Abraham was born, I am!" John 8:58
Omnipresent "and surely I am with you always" Matthew 28:20
Omniscient "you know all things … You believe at last!" John 16:30
Omnipotent "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me" Matthew 28:18
Worshipped "And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin…" Mark 9:42
A Divine Authority To forgive sins , To have authority over the laws of the Sabbath, That the elect and angels are his, To be able to give authority
over evil to others, To have authority over all people
Word will outlast time "my words will never pass away" Mark 13:31
Sinless "Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?" John 8:46
That all God has is his "All I have is yours, and all you have is mine" - said praying to God - John 17:10
Freedom "If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed" John 8:36
Send prophets "Therefore I am sending you prophets" Matthew 23:34
Deserve highest loyalty "Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me" Mt 10:37
Equal with God that a response to him is the same as a response to God. John 15:23
that he is to be honoured to the same extent as God is honoured. John 5:22
that to see him is to see God. John 14:9
that to know him is to know God. John 8:19
that him coming to the Jewish people was same as God being there.Luke 19:43
that he operates with and to the same extent as God. John 5:17
that he is directly equal with God. John 10:30-39
That people's eternal destiny depends on their response to him. Mathew 7:21-23, John 8:24
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Author, C. S. Lewis said, ''A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be
a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else the Devil of Hell. You must take your choice. Either this man was, and
is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon, or you can fall
at his feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great moral teacher. He has not left that
open to us. He did not intend to."