Yes that’s what I told Him last night…props to you young skeptical minds on ATS…you atheists have really given OT so much to think about these
last few years…I been debating you smart folks for over 4 years now…and I’m a better husband, father, believer because of it. You have taught me
to think critically and to question all things….to deny ignorance….you should see my adult children run…., “oh dad, please no more of that
conspiracy website stuff,” they say…ha ha! Alright to the subject at hand….my relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT a
religion….heck, there’s a new religion started every month….He’s real to me, like Chronicles of Narnia Author C.S. Lewis says, “A man can no
more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his
I think we are just SO busy these days, as long ago Winston Churchill said, “Men occasionally stumbles over the truth, but most of them pick
themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened,” that we miss opportunities…
When I was younger I realized, “The loneliest moment in life is when you have just experienced that which you thought would deliver the ultimate,
and it has just let you down. “ Ravi Zacharias was on to something!
And as the original scientist Galileo has said, “I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect had
intended for us to forgo their use. We can deal intellectually…
I’m reminded of Dante Gabriel Rossetti who observed, “The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful, and has nobody to thank.
“ Very sad to OT….
And what about the brevity of life my young skeptics? William Murray relayed…” Humanism or atheism is a wonderful philosophy of life as long as
you are big, strong, and between the ages of eighteen and thirty-five. But watch out if you are in a lifeboat and there are others who are younger,
bigger, or smarter. “ Food for thought there…
And to my young mathematicians….how about a little regression analysis? Y is a function of X right? ”Absent an absolute moral authority
independent of fallible humans, the only meaning “wrong” could have (pertaining to conduct) would be “in opposition to X,” or “falling short
of X’s standards,” which are only persuasive to those who have already accepted X. “ Sounds ‘probable’ to OT, Calvin Freiburger….kinda
like the “predicted Y” darn could get the ^ on top of the Y…
And what about a little pop/soda/coke as a philosophy for life? Maybe He’s “the real thing”? Mr. Douglas Wilson asks a refreshing
question…aahhhhh… “If there is no God, then all that exists is time and chance acting on matter. If this is true then the difference
between your thoughts and mine correspond to the difference between shaking up a bottle of Mountain Dew and a bottle of Dr. Pepper. You simply fizz
atheistically and I fizz theistically. This means that you do not hold to atheism because it is true , but rather because of a series of chemical
reactions… … Morality, tragedy, and sorrow are equally evanescent. They are all empty sensations created by the chemical reactions of the brain,
in turn created by too much pizza the night before. If there is no God, then all abstractions are chemical epiphenomena, like swamp gas over fetid
water. This means that we have no reason for assigning truth and falsity to the chemical fizz we call reasoning or right and wrong to the irrational
reaction we call morality. If no God, mankind is a set of bi-pedal carbon units of mostly water. And nothing else. “
And OT, why do you bury your head from all the bad things supposed Christians did? Good question, let’s refer to Mr Tumnis’s creator… “My
argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line
crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust? If the whole show was bad and
senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why did I, who was supposed to be part of the show, find myself in such a violent reaction against it?... Of
course I could have given up my idea of justice by saying it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if i did that, then my argument against God
collapsed too--for the argument depended on saying the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happen to please my fancies. Thus, in the
very act of trying to prove that God did not exist - in other words, that the whole of reality was senseless - I found I was forced to assume that one
part of reality - namely my idea of justice - was full of sense. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no
meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never have known it was dark. Dark would be
without meaning. “ C.S. Lewis
And what about the man that ended slavery, surely he could help us? Abraham Lincoln observed, “I can see how it might be possible for someone to
look around on earth and not believe in God, but I cannot conceive how anyone could look up into the heavens and say there is no God.?” Yeah science
can tell us how to do many things, but it cannot tell us what ought to be done. “If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision,
then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our
present thoughts are mere accidents - the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and
astronomers as well as for anyone else's. But if their thoughts - i.e., Materialism and Astronomy - are mere accidental by-products, why should we
believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It's
like expecting the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milk-jug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it
was upset. “ Another great from the liar, lunatic lord guy!
I believe, “The greatest act of faith takes place when a man finally decides that he is not God.” as Johann Wolfgang Goethe penned so long
My idol, killed in the holocaust, Dietrich Bonheoffer said, “If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other
direction.” Lotta wisdom there, cho cho! I think the proper perspective is to ask as Aaron Arrowsmith did, “A heathen philosopher once asked a
Christian, 'Where is God'? The Christian answered, 'Let me first ask you, Where is He not?'”
Back to probability OT…“Someone once said that if you sat a million monkeys at a million typewriters for a million years, one of them would
eventually type out all of Hamlet by chance. But when we find the text of Hamlet, we don't wonder whether it came from chance and monkeys. Why then
does the atheist use that incredibly improbable explanation for the universe? Clearly, because it is his only chance of remaining an atheist. At this
point we need a psychological explanation of the atheist rather than a logical explanation of the universe.” Credit Peter Kreeft, there for the
You see, “If God were small enough to be understood, He would not be big enough to be worshiped. Evelyn Underhill has got it right…
And could Robert A. Laidlaw be on to something? I dunno? He said “God exists whether or not men may choose to believe in Him. The reason why many
people do not believe in God is not so much that it is intellectually impossible to believe in God, but because belief in God forces that thoughtful
person to face the fact that he is accountable to such a God. “
Or what about Vox Day….this is harsh, not my words, so no flaming, ok?…let’s discuss it… “Still, even the most admirable of atheists is
nothing more than a moral parasite, living his life based on borrowed ethics. This is why, when pressed, the atheist will often attempt to hide his
lack of conviction in his own beliefs behind some poorly formulated utilitarianism, or argue that he acts out of altruistic self-interest. But this is
only post-facto rationalization, not reason or rational behavior.”
It is true, though, that…”Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God.” - Heywood Broun.
And OT what about other famous folks in history? Do they have anything to say about G-d?
Ralph Waldo Emerson—The unique impression of Jesus upon mankind—whose name is not so
much written as ploughed into the history of the world—is proof of the subtle virtue of this infusion.
Augustine—Christ is not valued at all unless He be valued above all.
Robert Louis Stevenson—When Christ came into my life, I came about like a well-handled ship.
Lew Wallace—After six years given to the impartial investigation of Christianity, as to its
truth or falsity, I have come to the deliberate conclusion that Jesus Christ was the Messiah of
the Jews, the Savior of the world, and my personal Savior.
H. G. Wells—The Galilean has been too great for our small hearts.
Malcolm Muggeridge—The coming of Jesus into the world is the most stupendous event in
human history…. [and] ... What is unique about Jesus is that, on the testimony and in the experience
of innumerable people, of all sorts and conditions, of all races and nationalities from the
simplest and most primitive to the most sophisticated and cultivated, he remains alive…. That the
Resurrection happened… seems to be indubitably true…. Either Jesus never was or he still is…. 18
Albert Einstein—I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene.
Sir Lionell Luckhoo—I have spent more than forty-two years as a defense trial lawyer appearing
in many parts of the world.... I say unequivocally the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is
so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no doubt.19
Quote page source: christianquotes.org...
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A few pre-requisites:
1) All are entailed to their beliefs or disbeliefs
2) No flaming please-it’s OK to agree to disagree
A few questions for readers to respond to…
1) What quotes do you agree with? And why?
2) What quotes do you disagree with? And why?
3) What is it that got you to the current level of faith or lack there of?
4) Thoughts on this pdf.? joshmcdowellmedia.org...