Lost in Space

Lost in Space

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There are those who believe that somewhere in the vast blackness of space, about nine billion miles from the Sun, the first human is about to cross the boundary of our Solar System into interstellar space. His body, perfectly preserved, is frozen at –270 degrees C (–454ºF); his tiny capsule has been silently sailing away from the Earth at 18,000 mph (29,000km/h) for the last 45 years. He is the original lost cosmonaut, whose rocket went up and, instead of coming back down, just kept on going.

It is the ultimate in Cold War legends: that at the dawn of the Space Age, in the late 1950s and throughout the 1960s, the Soviet Union had two space programmes, one a public programme, the other a ‘black’ one, in which far more daring and sometimes downright suicidal missions were attempted. It was assumed that Russia’s Black Ops, if they existed at all, would remain secret forever.

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[edit on 18-5-2009 by grover]

The disinfo link will take you to a snippet that is linked to an older forteantimes article.

Interesting story.

I was one of those kids that grew up under the shadow of the space program, science fiction and the convergence between the two.

I hung on every news story I could find on the space programs, regardless of the nation involved and until this article I have never heard that any astronauts (or cosmonauts) was ever lost in space.

The notion is chilling... pardon the pun... to slowly die watching home slowly fade in the distance knowing that there is no rescue.

www.disinfo.com
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That is interesting...

I read a thread on here recently that talked about people intercepting radio communications from these missions and hearing heartbeats and breathing.

Wonder if any of this is true?

reply to post by atzmaz


Well it is true that the soviets were far more cavalier about their cosmonauts safety than we were.

Given the number that they admitted losing (indeed we may never know the exact number) its not much of a stretch... and in those days the thought of a rescue was not even considered doable... remember our cell phones today has more computing power than the largest mainframes that were operational then.

Well i always the thought the Russians were the first in space but the first cosmonaut was a Dog.

Originally posted by atzmaz
That is interesting...

I read a thread on here recently that talked about people intercepting radio communications from these missions and hearing heartbeats and breathing.

Wonder if any of this is true?

The Lost Cosmonauts
originally presented by Internos and seems to have slipped between the cracks
www.abovetopsecret.com...




www.lostcosmonauts.com...

The first woman in space
www.lostcosmonauts.com...

Originally posted by atzmaz
That is interesting...

I read a thread on here recently that talked about people intercepting radio communications from these missions and hearing heartbeats and breathing.

Wonder if any of this is true?

That sounds interesting, would like to find out more, know where abouts this is?

reply to post by AR154


Ummm perhaps you could try looking in the post just above your?

Just a thought...

Cool thread Grover! Wow what a sacrifice to make for humanity! A floating sarcophagus. How long will his DNA last out there I wonder? A salute to the great explorers taking on the greatest exploring.

Well he or they would be frozen solid by now and it probably happened fairly quickly once the life support failed so the DNA will probably be viable indefinitely.

-450 degrees F is mighty cold.

That is crazy... I wonder what that guy was thinking when ground control said there is nothing that can be done, If they said anything at all. But 45 years, The chances that the rocket is still floating and not smashed into a metor or a planet is pretty low. We'll probly find it when we send a rover to jupiter or somthing just stuck in the ground. Awsome post

I think this is the reference we are looking for....

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Source Lost Cosmonauts
www.focus.it...

Seems he might have sent an SOS by Morse code as he was drifting off. As the signal did not behave like an orbiting satellite (Doppler effect), they assumed it was moving away from Earth

[edit on 19-5-2009 by zorgon]

Oh found some real gold in that article from the Fortean Times...

James Oberg worked in NASA’s mission control for almost 20 years before becoming a space historian specialising in the Russian space programme. According to him, “the sounds the Judica-Cordiglias heard could be interpreted to mean a lost cosmonaut; in those days nobody could tell. In those days so much was secret and much of the Soviet space programme was wrapped in disinformation, and bred by ignorance.”

And THIS...

Large parts of the early Soviet Space programme remain unknown to this day; information was destroyed; most of those involved have died or vanished. Some historians have recently solved some of the mysteries surrounding the early cosmonauts. Oberg himself discovered that a famous photo of the ‘Sochi Six’, a group of Russia’s original top cosmonaut candidates, had been doctored, erasing one of the six men.

So Herr Oberg discovered that Russian was air brushing photos... well how about that? Maybe since he is here at ATS these days we should ask him about that?

How about it Jim? Care to comment on this?

Originally posted by grover

Lost in Space

www.disinfo.com

There are those who believe that somewhere in the vast blackness of space, about nine billion miles from the Sun, the first human is about to cross the boundary of our Solar System into interstellar space. His body, perfectly preserved, is frozen at –270 degrees C (–454ºF); his tiny capsule has been silently sailing away from the Earth at 18,000 mph (29,000km/h) for the last 45 years.

There are so many things wrong with this claim it's hard to know where to begin. There isn't a shred of evidence that the soviets ever had a booster that could launch a manned soyuz into an interstellar trajectory at all, let alone accidentally. Even the mighty saturn V, the most powerful rocket ever launched, couldn't do that, even if you took the command module and used every drop of fuel to try to escape the sun after launch. Other problems include the fact that a derilict rocket will not remain at a constant velocity heading out from Sol for 45 years - it will decelerate constantly as the sun tries to pull it back, even if it hit escape velocity. 29,000km/hr is also far slower than escape velocity (little less than half of what's required, in fact), so if that's the speed mr cosmonaut had 45 years ago, he's still with us. If he's still with us, he didn't freeze unless his spacecraft is a giant mirror. It's not impossible that the Soviets lost a cosmonaut they didn't tell us about, but I find it extremely unlikely that he accidentally ended up in an interstellar trajectory.

[edit on 19-5-2009 by ngchunter]

I'm sorry that search engines can't locate debunking stuff like on my own home page, here:
www.jamesoberg.com...

Look way down to the very end, the story on 'Phantom Cosmonauts' dates back to 1975.

Also, here:

www.jamesoberg.com...

Myths of ‘Dead Russian Cosmonauts’
08/01/2008 - MORE ON THE NEW JUDICA-CORDIGLIA CLAIMS

3/1/2007: WHY I DON’T BELIEVE THE CLAIMS OF THE JUDICA-CORDIGLIA BROTHERS

1988 - Dead Cosmonauts, Gemini UFOs and Others

1/1975 - Space World Magazine: Phantoms of space - The secret dead Russian Comsonauts




[edit on 22-5-2009 by JimOberg]

reply to post by The Mack

The first animal in space was indeed a Russian dog named Laika (she didn't make it back alive, poor thing).

But the first man in space was also Russian, the cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin, who was also the first man to orbit Earth.

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The first manned American space flight lasted about 15 minutes - they strapped Alan Shephard to a rocket and fired it on a ballastic trajectory that brought it back to Earth without achieving orbital velocity. It wasn't until the third Mercury mission that an American, John Glenn, made it all the way round the ball.

The Russians shot dogs into space; the Americans used mice, monkeys and chimps. Thank heavens PETA hadn't been invented yet.

Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by The Mack

 

The first animal in space was indeed a Russian dog named Laika (she didn't make it back alive, poor thing).

But the first man in space was also Russian, the cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin, who was also the first man to orbit Earth.

The first manned American space flight lasted about 15 minutes - they strapped Alan Shephard to a rocket and fired it on a ballastic trajectory that brought it back to Earth without achieving orbital velocity. It wasn't until the third Mercury mission that an American, John Glenn, made it all the way round the ball.

Then there was that abortive Soviet animal husbandry in space project that involved cows in space.

It was supposed to have been the first herd shot 'round the world.

Originally posted by grover

It is the ultimate in Cold War legends: that at the dawn of the Space Age, in the late 1950s and throughout the 1960s, the Soviet Union had two space programmes, one a public programme, the other a ‘black’ one, in which far more daring and sometimes downright suicidal missions were attempted. It was assumed that Russia’s Black Ops, if they existed at all, would remain secret forever.

(visit the link for the full news article)

IMHO the entire Soviet space program was a "black" program at the time. Unlike their American contemporaries there was not much information released about their missions until after they accomplished them not during. The soviets were extremely sensitive to the public opinion of the west. Anything that could make mother Russia and the Soviet Union as a whole look bad would never see the light of day.

Zorgon has provided us a great link.

Originally posted by zorgon

Large parts of the early Soviet Space programme remain unknown to this day; information was destroyed; most of those involved have died or vanished. Some historians have recently solved some of the mysteries surrounding the early cosmonauts. Oberg himself discovered that a famous photo of the ‘Sochi Six’, a group of Russia’s original top cosmonaut candidates, had been doctored, erasing one of the six men.

I think that it's a possibility. As mentioned above many documents were destroyed and going back now through archives would be a tremendous task considering that the leads and information was altered and some case destroyed way back then.

If NASA has forgotten how to go to the moon with such a public program were information as readily available imagine trying to scare something up such as a lost Cosmonaut.


[edit on 24-5-2009 by SLAYER69]

Originally posted by SLAYER69
IMHO the entire Soviet space program was a "black" program at the time. Unlike their American contemporaries there was not much information released about their missions until after they accomplished them not during.

Had the soviets had a booster powerful enough to successfully launch a human into an interstellar trajectory of ANY kind at the same time we were struggling to orbit, regardless of that person's ultimate fate, they would not have been the last to land or put a man around the moon. In fact, it wouldn't have even been a close race. No booster that powerful has even been built let alone flown. You can't keep something that large a secret when you light it.

Soviet N1 Lunar Rocket

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And it seems NASA is contracting with Russia on 'other projects'

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