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Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
The THEORY of Abiogenesis DOES sound completely ridiculous! It SOUNDS ridiculous but it is based off of OBSERVABLE EXPERIMENTATION.
Taking it all in at once sounds UNBELIEVABLE BUT BUT BUT if you look at each SMALL LITTLE PIECE of it and see how they work (which believe me is really hard for a layman like me) you will start to get the bigger picture. Some of the theories that humans have come up with are genius! Me personally I like the aspect of how bubbles act as a cell wall.
I mean it is REALLY hard to understand some of it. I am quoting something that is supposed to be easily accessible to people but it really IS hard to understand here read this.
"The first organisms were self-replicating iron-rich clays which fixed carbon dioxide into oxalic and other dicarboxylic acids. This system of replicating clays and their metabolic phenotype then evolved into the sulfide rich region of the hotspring acquiring the ability to fix nitrogen. Finally phosphate was incorporated into the evolving system which allowed the synthesis of nucleotides and phospholipids. If biosynthesis recapitulates biopoesis, then the synthesis of amino acids preceded the synthesis of the purine and pyrimidine bases. Furthermore the polymerization of the amino acid thioesters into polypeptides preceded the directed polymerization of amino acid esters by polynucleotides."
Sauced from en.wikipedia.org...
When I read that it is basically like me attempting to translate Smart People language. I am completely and utterly lost.
I guess what I am really trying to say is it is like a guessing game. Scientists are throwing out guesses. Well it COULD be this. See these things always do this every time. So MAYBE it could lead to this. Since we KNOW these do this lets try it with this.
Creationists are saying Well it IS this. Why are you trying to recreate it? You will fail. God made it. You can't do that. That is pointless.
What happens when scientists can actually make abiogenesis happen in a lab? What happens when we show all these little things working together make something bigger and better?
At least TRY and find out what it is. If you believe that a God created it it is NOT a reason for mankind to give up and not do it. Maybe we can even do it better? Maybe there were some chemicals not present on the Earth during life's creation that we can throw in the mix and make life even BETTER!
Originally posted by stereovoyaged
So for the record, I do believe we evolved, its proven, its a scientific fact, how we started life to begin with is still up in the air for me. At least science is TRYING to prove their theories, not just saying, here this book is absolute truth, but we have no way to confirm our stories true, provide any evidience to back up what we are saying, OH and we also wont' hear of any arguments to prove otherwise. AND even if you do prove what we are saying to be wrong, we will deny it or just say the devil makes it appear that way to lead man down the wrong path to hellfire and brimstone.
Originally posted by stereovoyaged
Just saying people, look at this with an objective mind and be more rational.
Originally posted by hounddoghowlie
come on, life forms are to complex just to have happened. just look at lets say a eye, to many parts have to work in a certain way in order to see. and how did those single cells know that they would need a eye,or heart ,lungs ,liver arms, legs and far to many systems in just one form of life,let alone all the other forms of life here on earth.
for me there is only one way that this could have happened. and that is GOD made it all.
Originally posted by KarlG
[Read up on biology.
"Think about it. Back in the ancient times, 65 million years ago, when dinosaurs ruled the Earth. There were no humans. this concept of "God" wasn't even in existence. So you say a God created dinosaurs when this idea of God wasn't even around? "
i had biology class all through high school,and i learned all about evolution
single cell organisms, plant life , animal life and yes the dinosaurs. we learned about how all the different systems work in many forms of life.
and you know that the teachers couldnt tell me how all the single cell life forms decided how they were gonna be a fish,tree,flower, blade of grass, dog ,cat ,snake, and you know if we want to jump on the way back machine, even the dinos. they couldnt tell me how all the right elements came togather to make air, water, gasses, sand, drit, rocks and the list can go on and on.
you know all the big bangers that think all that is came about by a couple of atoms smashing togather, and what it produced just kinda happ hazzardly came togather over billions of years and made all that we can see ,feel, smell, and taste,here on earth or in the universe. i just cant understand why they cant see there was a design to it all.
just two more points and i will stop, well maybe three. frist i'm sure you have heard about the heerdon collider. where they are tring to smash atoms togather,and reproduce the big bang. well i have not heard any news, about if they have been able to duplicate it yet. wheres all matter thats suppose to have come from it. second if im not mistaken, there are a lot of scientists that think, that dna is a program just like the ones used for your computer. i'll have to try and find sources for this but i do think i read it in one of the science magazines. question is who programed us,or did it just happ hazzardly happen. i dont think so, that would be like a bunch of steel, plastic, silicon coming togather and there you go a desk top. no some one has to tell it what to do, i think this is the same for dna and everything else that is. i beleive that God made it all.
thrid when you say that God wasnt even around 65 million years ago. there are many bible scholars that think that the earth has gone through at least three what they call earth ages, that to i'll have to find source for
2 Peter Chapter 3 Verse 8
"with the lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like one day."
this says to me that time is nothing to God. it could take as long as he wants it to, or could happen as fast as he wants it to. i dont think God has told us every thing that has taken place.
so if you want to keep on using the big banger logic, not open your eyes and see what is as plain as day,that life the earth, the universe and im sure things we cant see are far to complex to have just happ hazzardly happened. i will pray for you, just like i pray for others here that seem to be fighting the truth.
you know that recorded histroy shows us that man has not always been the sharpist tool in the shed.