"The Insane Brutality of the State of Israel" Atrocities in the Promised Land, page 2
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reply posted on 18-5-2009 @ 09:50 PM by dooper
reply to post by mmiichael

The reason to bring up old information is that there is insufficient new Israeli data they can cloud, misrepresent, curse, or cry about.

So you gotta go back.

Go back far enough, and you can find the walls of Jerico being dropped.


reply posted on 18-5-2009 @ 11:11 PM by audas
Originally posted by nihilus
It is like watching a slow motion car wreck while the world is operating at normal speed.


You're so right!!

Other parts of the world are killing off innocents so much quicker! Sri Lanka's government chased hundreds of thousands of civilians into exile fleeing for their lives without a care in the world.

How about what happens in Sudan? Also in the hundreds of thousands.

How about the treatment of the Kurds?

How about the innocents being slaughtered by the Taliban in Afghanistan through cowardly car bombs?

The numbers there are a lot faster aren't they? So you're right... the rest of the world is moving far quicker in their execution of innocents, and yet you only care about Israel Israel Israel.

But no, it's not a Jewish thing. Not at all. Those other problems? Eh. Less important. Israel Israel Israel! How many threads can I start in one day about Israel Israel Israel!!

You've become a predictable bore. Your friend JanusFIN is honest enough to proudly show himself to be a Jew hater as opposed to an Israel hater by his thread last week which did nothing but post the names of rich Jews and attempt to villify them for being rich Jews. Why don't you open up like he did? Just stand up and say "I masonwatcher hate Jews!" and then we can all move on. Maybe a Jewish neighbor pissed in your corn flakes? Who knows. Accept the fact that you're a bigot, it'll help you in the long run.

You, Janus and breakingdradles (who should be banned for his username, unless you think maybe something like smashing crosses, or throwing buddhas is acceptable) should get together, raise a flag and salute the good old days when a Jew couldn't join a country club etc.


The point is tha Israel is a first world, western, democratic nation with the full support of the UN Europe and America and no one even beleives what is being said. We all find what happens in Rawanda, abhorrent, Sudan and Darfur revolting, Sri Lanka criminal, but why is that when ever we mention the same crimes against humanity we are labelled anti-semitic ?
Why are we able to discuss all these other crimes - but not Israel.

Why is America, a Christian nation over run with Zionist extremists ?

Why is that ?

Why are we not able to discuss the greatest crime against humanity committed since the holocaust ?

Why ? *Snip*

Why is Israel immune from investigation and public scrutiny? *Snip*

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reply posted on 18-5-2009 @ 11:34 PM by mmiichael
Originally posted by audas

Why is America, a Christian nation over run with Zionist extremists ?



Why is it you think you can make any bald statement and expect people to accept it as unquestioned fact just because you typed it?

Zionists were 20th Century Jews working toward establishing a Jewish state centred on Jerusalem. It exists now and has for 60 years.

2.2% of the US is Jewish. Presumably you actually are referring to some of them when you use the phrase Zionist extremists.

There is a ton of literature that tries to show Jews run the US. There is also a ton of literature showing aliens exist. That the Vatican controls the world. That Freemasons run the world. That a New World Oder is coming into place run by the Bilderbergers or whoever.

It's called conspiracy theory. When its specifically targeted a particular ethnic group it can be called racism.

A lot of ignorant disenfranchised people subscribe to these theories.
It sometimes makes it easier for them to evade responsibility for their personal failures, or those of their chosen religion, ethnic group, or country. It has been refined to a science. It's called scapegoating.

These held beliefs almost invariably fall apart on objective examination.
But if you actually want to believe them you can find plenty of others who laso do and mountains of pseudo-documentation as support.

When people spend an inordinate amount of their time and energies pursuing these beliefs it indicates not so much how valid they are, but more what they choose to accept as truth.


Mike


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reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 12:00 AM by audas
Originally posted by mmiichael
Originally posted by audas

Why is America, a Christian nation over run with Zionist extremists ?



Why is it you think you can make any bald statement and expect people to accept it as unquestioned fact just because you typed it?

Zionists were 20th Century Jews working toward establishing a Jewish state centred on Jerusalem. It exists now and has for 60 years.

2.2% of the US is Jewish. Presumably you actually are referring to some of them when you use the phrase Zionist extremists.

There is a ton of literature that tries to show Jews run the US. There is also a ton of literature showing aliens exist. That the Vatican controls the world. That Freemasons run the world. That a New World Oder is coming into place run by the Bilderbergers or whoever.

It's called conspiracy theory. When its specifically targeted a particular ethnic group it can be called racism.

Blah bLah Blah Blah............lies


Mike


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Mearshimer and Walt - "THe Israeli Lobby" is absolutely NOT conspiratorial - not is it a fabrication- it is one of the most damming exposes on the issue ever written and is well accepted at even the highest levels of academia all over the world - clearly you have not read this, despite your literary claims -

*Snip*

here is where we left off with you caliming the ISraelis are the innocents.....




Oohh look here is some more of your Israelis are just peace loving mythomania...



*Snip*

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reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 12:27 AM by mmiichael
Originally posted by audas


Mearshimer and Walt - "THe Israeli Lobby" is absolutely NOT conspiratorial - not is it a fabrication- it is one of the most damming exposes on the issue ever written and is well accepted at even the highest levels of academia all over the world - clearly you have not read this, despite your literary claims -

Glad you have moved over to this thread so that I may comprehensively embarrass you on the facts just as I have done in the previous one - sucker gor public humiliation I see -




Two lightweight academics with a modest bestseller that is ridiculed by historians now.

Iraq War was not the work of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, and Condi Rice, as we all thought but of "The Israel Lobby"

Osama bin Laden and Islamist terrorists wanted to punish America for support of Israel who wanted the attack because they were lonely in the Middle East.

And that's just for openers.

So busy pointing the finger at their shadow Israeli government they totally missed the elephant in the room, the suitcases of cash floating around Washington courtesy of the Saudi Lobby buying up ex-presidents (Carter) congressmen, senators, and oh yes - quite a few low paid academic hacks.
Check out Saudi donations in the tens of millions to academic institutions since 9/11.

more here

www.huffingtonpost.com...


I find it increasingly difficult to believe you've read much besides the usual agenda driven pop stuff on the subjects you claim to know about. Embedded links to selected Youtube are not arguments.

What about the long article I linked to? So far your comment was on the single paragraph excerpt provided.


Mike


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reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 12:52 AM by audas








reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 01:40 AM by mmiichael





Here's how things work in science, history, philosophy, any discipline.

You read one book - it's a revelation that changes your thinking.

You read two or three more books. The first one doesn't seem to have addressed a lot of things and got many wrong. The more you read, the deeper you go, the more you discover the shortcoming and inadequacies of many works. Often you find what you accepted early on in your investigations was more wrong than right.

This happens a lot when you get into a subject, partly because most start with a sensationalized bestseller then only graduate to the real stuff much later. I've been through it a dozen times. I'm embarrassed by a lot of nonsense I thought was true once.

Bertrand Russell once remarked on someone pointing inconsistencies in books he'd written decades apart that he simply believed certain things years ago but had learned they were incorrect after further investigation.

We all have to do that. That's why so many people get divorced, as an example.

I'm reluctant to tear into Walt & M because, 1) this isn't the time and place, and 2) all my typing will result in having to read a reply with the letter Z used repeatedly and some snappily phrased accusations and then more "Aha, I beat you ... you sniveling dog" stuff.

"Israel Lobby" was published in 2007. Written probably in 2005 and before with updating. To put it mildly, it hasn't stood up to serious analysis.

H.G. Wells's "Outline of History" which was considered definitive for decades, and which I read as a kid, is mostly dismissed as one-side, biased, non-inclusive, and just plain bad history.

There are dozens of well-researched books on the subject we are talking about. Ones that have a controversial selling hooks are the ones undiscriminating people end up with. They're usually far from the best, often they're just sensationalistic junk.


Mike


reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 01:43 AM by semperfortis
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reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 02:24 AM by A Conscience
reply to post by mmiichael


The article is by no means current. It is 3 years old, coming from the 2006 archives of an online magazine.

What is the purpose of starting a thread with such an old opinion piece?

It is a brief outrage indignation puff piece requoting other comments, with no new information presented.

What would motivate someone to start searching for old articles online just to find one with an over-the top title like this?

Why are there very few threads created on this forum discussing government sanctioned ongoing mass murders in so many African and Asian countries?

Why are there hundreds of threads with screaming titles accusing Israel of every outrage imaginable?


Because there's no use by date for atrocities. You of all the people should know that. Didn't the great Simon Wiesenthal said, and I quote:

“If all of us forgot, the same thing might happen again, in 20 or 50 or 100 years,”

“We know that we are not collectively guilty, so how can we accuse any other nation, no matter what some of its people have done, of being collectively guilty?”

“Human rights is the only ideology that deserves to survive,”

“For evil to flourish, it only requires good men to do nothing.”

“What connects two thousand years of genocide? Too much power in too few hands.”

"For me was the Holocaust not only a Jewish tragedy, but also a human tragedy. After the war, when I saw that the Jews were talking only about the tragedy of six million Jews, I sent letters to Jewish organizations asking them to talk also about the millions of others who were persecuted with us together - many of them only because they helped Jews.”

“I know I am not only the bad conscience of the Nazis. I am also the bad conscience of the Jews. Because what I have taken up as my duty was everybody's duty.”

Great man, great quotes! If only there are more men of his calibre.

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reply posted on 19-5-2009 @ 07:48 PM by dooper
reply to post by Xtrozero

Indeed, the whole region is to blame.

The other Arab nations want nothing to do with these people, other than to send them weapons.

These are apparently the most stupid and easily manipulated people on earth that the other Arabs won't let into their countries.


reply posted on 23-5-2009 @ 11:19 PM by dooper
reply to post by Futree Vous


Had you bothered to read exactly what was said, the stated goal of the Arab coalition that attacked Israel in 1948-49, you'd know that their STATED intent was genocide.

Same thing, same identical things was broadcast from Arabic radio stations prior to the 1967 war. Genocide of Israel.

SAME thing in 1973.

And the countless guerrilla attacks that have occurred constantly since the formation of Israel.

Genocide of Israel.

You kind of got it backwards, didn't you?

They no longer teach history past ten years ago?
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