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The UKIP Conspiracy & Its Immediate Relevance

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posted on May, 18 2009 @ 07:43 AM
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UKIP are an extension or branch of the Tory Party.
I have no intention of voting for them at all.

I will probably vote BNP, simply as a protest vote.
I never want to see a BNP government.

BNP will stimulate debate on immigration and prove a counter point to the PC brigade.
BNP councillors have achieved things in their constituencies.
Elected UKIP officials have achieved nothing.

I don't agree with the majority of BNP opinions and policies.
Neither do I agree with the majority of policies expressed in Labour / Conservative / UKIP / Green / Lib Dem etc manifesto's.
But I do agree with some.
As I do with some of the other parties policies.

Hence my view that party politics and MP's /MEP's alignment to political bodies should be abolished with elected officials voting on each law / bill in accordance with their own conviction and the interests of their constituents rather than blindly following party line / whip.




posted on May, 18 2009 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by 44soulslayer
What is the BNP's stance on Gurkha resettlement into the UK? How is this congruent with their stance on ethnic repatriation?

Hi there soulslayer. I believe the BNP were one of the first parties to support the rights of a sensible number of Gurkhas to settle in Britain. Having read their policies, it would seem that they would offer voluntary repatriation and have an aim of giving British culture back its dominance in Britain rather than ethnically cleansing the country.


Originally posted by 44soulslayer
What's their stance on fixing the economy? Can an economic crisis be averted via merely booting out ethnics?

I doubt it. I was surprised to discover that they aren't the one-trick-pony most people think they are and actually have some extremely sensible ideas about fixing the economy. If you're open-minded enough - as I'm certain you are
- you might have a read of their website and find out like I did.


Originally posted by 44soulslayer
The BNP are a bunch of illiterate thugs.

Does that go for the millions of people who'll be voting for them next month?


Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Promoting the "repatriation" of ethnic minorities to create a white-only state is racist, and it's ridiculous to state that it's not.

Voluntary repatriation. Again, I think they're more concerned with ensuring that Britain remains predominantly white, and culturally British (any healthy country would safeguard the future of its indigenous folk). You must remember that for white Britons, this is their ancestral homeland. Immigrants who have settled here have their ancestral homeland elsewhere so it's white Britons who are set to lose something that is extremely important to all the world's ethnic groups. I think it would be incredibly racist to tell an ethnic group that they are not allowed a sovereign homeland. A sensible minority of immigrant settlers could be a great thing but current trends indicate that by birthrate alone, Muslims are set to conquer Britain in the next generation or two. And no, that isn't an overexaggeration. I worked it out myself based on official statistics and would be glad to provide the calculations.


Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Nigel Farage is a capable leader, who has consistently shown that his party is the party of true nationalism, devoid of any racist undertones.
I respect UKIP.

UKIP promote multiculturalism. I've not decided yet whether nationalism and multiculturalism are compatible ideologies. For example, halal and kosher slaughter methods do not sit well with Britain's tradition of (admittedly still imperfect) animal welfare. It's a nice dream, but I fear, unrealistic.


As Freeborn said, the most vital thing for this country right now is that we re-open any and all debate on immigration and multiculturalism, otherwise there are going to be big problems.

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posted on May, 18 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup
The BNP are an absolute disgrace to this country....as are it's supporters.




Originally posted by Cythraul
There appear to be an awful lot of people planning on voting BNP next month. Can you say with absolute certainty that each and every one of them is "a disgrace"? Seems a little irrational to me.



That is because many are being brainwashed by ridiculous tabloid newspapers and their over-the-top, sensationalist reporting and stories about immigrants and many other issues.

I am not calling every single person who decides to vote BNP this year, because they are fed up with the main parties and don't fully understand just how disgusting and abhorrent the BNP are, a disgrace.

I am calling those who know full well what the BNP are and what they stand for and are acting in a rather more subtle and sinister way, trying to liken the BNP to UKIP or any other independent party, who are fighting to keep Britain out of Europe....not that i am in favour or against that.






Originally posted by blupblupThey should be booted out.....




Originally posted by Cythraul
That seems democratic



I am saddened and disgusted that a "party" such as the BNP would get any votes, let alone the predicted wins that are being touted about.

IMHO, democracy doesn't come in to it when we're talking about a "party" (and i use that term very loosely) like the BNP.

A party of hate and ignorance and intolerance.... it is absolutely disgusting.
And the last time they (the BNP) were campaigning and flyering around my area... i told them exactly what i thought of them....i wont go into details about it, but i made my feelings very clear.



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup
That is because many are being brainwashed by ridiculous tabloid newspapers and their over-the-top, sensationalist reporting and stories about immigrants and many other issues.

The same tabloids who report on such things and then smear and demonise the BNP at every possible turn? Does that make sense? I've never understood why papers like the Daily Mail continuously report on political correctness gone mad, mass illegal immigration and Islam's growing dominance, and then on the next page set out to attack the only party who actually addresses those issues. THAT seems like real brainwashing. Why do you think this happens?

Blupblup, we've seen eye-to-eye in several other threads and I'm convinced that you're a smart person. What I'd love is if you'd respond and let me know the substantiated things that cause you to despise the BNP. I'm really struggling to see the 'racism', 'fascism' and 'idiocy' so many people talk about. I'm anti-racist and I used to march against Capitalism, so I'm not exactly any kind of extremist - just an average Brit who wants common sense politics and the preservation of my cultural heritage.

[edit on 18/5/2009 by Cythraul]



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 10:04 AM
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On the mainland there's not a great choice is there, there's conservative party and labour party, tony thatcher and margaret blair to use an old english quote, any ways they both sold the mainland down the drain.
if my memory sticks by me didn't the BNP do very well in the elections for the new lord mayor. and that ejit boris got the job!!!
say what you like with all the sleaze going on this election is gonna be an eye opener and don't be surprised if BNP clean up,
the people in the mining areas havnt forgiven the Tory's for there closure of the mines and the economic deprivation that brought about,
just me 2 bobs worth



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by Cythraul
Does that go for the millions of people who'll be voting for them next month?


Really?
shame only 100,000's have voted for BNP in the past. Never achieved that amount of numbers before.

There are better parties on the right who are more intelligent than the BNP - English Democrats have a successful, and popular, immigration policy. The party will die out in the election of a Tory government, National Front had the same problem during the 80s.



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 10:26 AM
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Hey


The idea that Britain should be preserved for a majority "indigenous" (ie white) population is inherently racist, but again... I don't mind. It's an idea and ideology, and anyone who holds it is welcome to it.

It's difficult to justify that stance though. Consider a few options:

1. A Gurkha who has served Britain in combat

2. A Pakistani muslim who served Britain in WW2 as part of the British Indian army.

3. A white council estate dweller who perpetually claims benefits

Now which of the three would you boot out of your country if you had the chance? I used to think that race was a major, major factor in nationalism, but the more I think about it, the more I see that nationalism is about the institutions and culture of a country, and conformance to thereof. Anyone who doesn't conform to British culture should be booted out... voluntary or not.

Also how do white neo-immigrants come into a vision of whites only Britain? East Europeans etc... and what about the descendents of those, who were born in this country? They would be racially white, British by birth. Would you kick them out?

I read their website... it seemed to be a thin veil of silk surrounding a cricket bat. By that I mean their policies on issues surrounding anything but race seem to be tokenistic and ill thought out.

Nationalism and multiculturalism will never, ever mix. It is impossible.

But nationalism and multiracialism aren't mutually exclusive. The greatest empires of the world were multiracial, yet culturally homogeneous... Rome, Greece, Egypt, India, the USA and in times past, Britain.

As for immigration being the biggest concern, I agree to an extent. We need to board up the borders... nobody should be allowed in. Doesn't make sense to allow guests in when the roof of the house is broken, and the rooms are already overcrowded.

In the end, it depends on whether you think a country is intrinsically a state based on racial groups, or whether you think a country is based on its institutions.



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
Really?
shame only 100,000's have voted for BNP in the past. Never achieved that amount of numbers before.

Don't be surprised infinite. I'm surprised on almost a daily basis by moderate people who are declaring that they'll be voting BNP. General consensus is simply that successive Labour and Conservative governments have not heard their concerns. I don't think anyone sees the BNP as saviours, but if you're concerned about immigration, multiculturalism, Islam, the database state, and overpopulation, just who else is there to vote for? As mentioned previously, UKIP are seen to be promoting multiculturalism on one hand whilst claiming to uphold Britain's heritage on the other. They seem disorganised, even more monosyllabic in policy than the BNP and only rear their heads come election time.

People are at the end of their tethers and the whole expenses debacle (which UKIP are guilty of too, by the way) has been the final straw.

Still, we seem to be veering off topic. I'm not interested in representing the BNP (I don't), I just wanted to start an open discussion specifically addressing the media's suspicious handling of the BNP's rise and UKIP's relation to it all. Do you completely accept that there was no hidden agenda in UKIP's formation? Would a Globalist Agenda not use covert tactics to halt a nationalist uprising?



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by 44soulslayer
The idea that Britain should be preserved for a majority "indigenous" (ie white) population is inherently racist, but again... I don't mind. It's an idea and ideology, and anyone who holds it is welcome to it.

Thanks soulslayer. I agree largely with your post. However, not the above quoted point. I just don't see what's racist about ancestral homelands and ethnic identities? On the contrary, I believe that saying anyone, of any race, can be ethnically Pakistani or Japanese is incredibly racist. It takes away the rights of those who value their ancestry to have an identity. Ethnic identity is meaningless when one can apply to be part of it. It is something you're born into, not something you can choose by hopping on a plane.

If you say it's racist for Britain's indigenous folk to remain predominant within Britain, then it follows that the same applies to every single nation in the world. What you are then requesting is the annihilation of all indigenous groups worldwide and an end to ethnic identities.

As for non-British whites - I'm not concerned with skin colour. What I am interested in is ancestry. A Latvian is no more connected to the soil of this land, ancestrally, than a Ugandan is.

Identity is concerned with, yes, the values and institutions of a nation, but also the shared ancestry, culture, language and religion. It terrifies me that we could lose this in the name of being politically correct and all-inclusive. Everyone in the world wants to be British. I don't believe everyone should be entitled to choose their ethnicity. I'd like to be able to visit India and know that I am in India, not just another multiracial, monocultural substate of a global superstate.

I know, soulslayer, that you yourself are of immigrant stock, so it's essentially impossible for either you or I to be fully objective. I'm glad to call you a fellow citizen, but it is fact that we do not share the same ancestral heritage.

I'd accept all 3 by the way
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posted on May, 18 2009 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Cythraul
Blupblup, we've seen eye-to-eye in several other threads and I'm convinced that you're a smart person. What I'd love is if you'd respond and let me know the substantiated things that cause you to despise the BNP. I'm really struggling to see the 'racism', 'fascism' and 'idiocy' so many people talk about. I'm anti-racist and I used to march against Capitalism, so I'm not exactly any kind of extremist - just an average Brit who wants common sense politics and the preservation of my cultural heritage.
[edit on 18/5/2009 by Cythraul]



Apart from the documentaries, video footage and other media clips and quotes that I've seen and read, showing these "people" in their true light you mean?

The BNP are the acceptable face of racism in the UK.... as you've said, we;ve agreed on other things in other threads....and i thought you to be pretty intelligent and clued-up..

How can you not see the BNP for what they truly are?


I mean...i know it's subtle but man.... can you not see the issues in this, taken from their own website?


we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.




FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people! We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning.



From wikipedia


The British National Party (BNP) is a far-right and whites-only political party in the United Kingdom.



According to its constitution, the BNP is "committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948."The BNP also proposes "firm but voluntary incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home."



It advocates the repeal of all anti-discrimination legislation, and restricts party membership to "indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous Caucasian’". The BNP also accepts white immigrants that are assimilated into one of those ethnicities




Historically, under John Tyndall's leadership, the BNP was overtly anti-Semitic; however, under the current leadership of Nick Griffin, the BNP has focused on criticism of Islam. The party has said that it does not consider the Jewish, Hindu or Sikh religions to have a significantly detrimental or threatening effect, although it does not accept practising Sikhs or Hindus as culturally or ethnically British. The party does however have members with Jewish ancestry. The BNP has been known to work with extremist Hindu and Sikh groups opposing Islam, and has actively tried to win Jewish votes. The BNP is rebuked and ostracised by mainstream politicians, and the party has been strongly criticised by Labour Prime Minister Gordon Brown,former Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair, Conservative Party leader David Cameron and former Liberal Democrats leader Sir Menzies Campbell.


Source




There are literally hundreds of articles and videos and to be honest...
If i even have to tell you that the BNP are racist.... then I'm probably just banging my head against a wall huh?



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 11:10 AM
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Blupblup - I used to DESPISE the BNP. I mean, REALLY despise them. Then one day I both looked up and saw my heritage dying in front of my eyes and looked into the BNP firsthand. I was surprised that this racist party I'd despised all my life was actually interesting in protecting the rich, ancient heritage I hold dear, NOT hating or denigrating anyone of any other race.

As stated, I just don't see the preservation of Britain's indigenous community as racist in any way I'm afraid. It is not because ethnic minorities are unwanted or inherently inferior (what idiot could think such a thing?) but simply because they have their ancestral homelands elsewhere. I've got plenty of black and Asian friends and I value them all. As far as I understand it BNP policy would allow them to stay in Britain, which is fantastic. What I object to is the wholesale colonisation of Britain, culturally, spiritually and ethnically.



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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The main problem seems to be that none of the parties are even sure what they stand for. Now seems to be the death of political parties.

We need something new!

Wasn't the Referendum party used in 1997 to split the conservative votes which allowed labour in?



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Cythraul
Blupblup - I used to DESPISE the BNP. I mean, REALLY despise them. Then one day I both looked up and saw my heritage dying in front of my eyes and looked into the BNP firsthand. I was surprised that this racist party I'd despised all my life was actually interesting in protecting the rich, ancient heritage I hold dear, NOT hating or denigrating anyone of any other race.



Oh me too.....as i always say "know your enemy".
I too have looked into the BNP and their policies and have seen the subtle racism that their policies exude
Seriously....why is your heritage "dying in front of you" ?

And why is it a "whites only" party.... if they are NOT hating on other races?






As stated, I just don't see the preservation of Britain's indigenous community as racist in any way I'm afraid. It is not because ethnic minorities are unwanted or inherently inferior (what idiot could think such a thing?) but simply because they have their ancestral homelands elsewhere. I've got plenty of black and Asian friends and I value them all. As far as I understand it BNP policy would allow them to stay in Britain, which is fantastic. What I object to is the wholesale colonisation of Britain, culturally, spiritually and ethnically.


So you think we should start shipping people of of the UK so that the whites remain the dominant race in the UK?
Oh sure, it's "voluntary" in their manifesto at the moment, but i GUARANTEE, IF they got in, they would start making X amount a year compulsory....


And why should every country have only it's native people living there..?
That to me is just insane... i LOVE multicultural Britain....seriously, i think it's excellent and diverse and amazing how so many races, religions and ethnic groups can all live here and get along and make our country work.
Makes me PROUD to be British.

What pisses me off..... is when BIGOTS like the BNP and others in the past, come along spouting their hatred and trying to divide the people and incite hatred and racism.


Listen, seriously.

The BNP are absolutely abhorrent....FACT.
They have had to change their image over the last few years because many of their members have been caught on film and caught by police, inciting racism, committing physical racist attacks on people and so on and so forth.
They have tried to move away from the skinhead mentality and the thuggish image of the past.... but at their rotten core.... they are still the same deplorable and disgusting party they will always be.







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posted on May, 18 2009 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup
Seriously....why is your heritage "dying in front of you" ?

Ask Common Purpose and the NWO
. They villify anything British and non-inclusive and they seek to displace indigenous Brits.


Originally posted by blupblup
And why is it a "whites only" party.... if they are NOT hating on other races?

Being "whites only" makes them racialist, not racist. The difference is that racism is based on prejudice, hate and notions of superiority. Racialism merely acknowledges that different races, with different cultures and homelands, exist. Is the Black Police Association racist?


Originally posted by blupblup
So you think we should start shipping people of of the UK so that the white remain the dominant race in the UK?

Illegal immigrants, certainly. I actually think the most effective thing would be to stop the entire world seeing Britain as a honeypot. That in itself would partially solve the problem and no-one would need feel rejected. This could be done by having a more sensible benefits system (other countries only allow immigrants to claim benefits after they've lived there for a certain period of time), insisting that everyone speak the language (a la Switzerland) and limiting funding for specialist minority groups and religions.


Originally posted by blupblup
Oh sure, it's "voluntary" in their manifesto at the moment, but i GUARANTEE, IF they got in, they would start making X amount a year compulsory....

We can only go by stated policies. To make presumptions based on media bias is both undemocratic and unfair.


Originally posted by blupblup
And why should every country have only it's native people living there..?
That to me is just insane... i LOVE multicultural Britain

What exactly do you love about it? What has improved? Note: ethnic restaurants does not constitute multiculturalism. A country can bring in a small amount of foreign influence whilst fully retaining traditional values. I LOVE cultures other than my own and I see that the only way of preserving them is to allow each one to hold onto its identity and homeland.


Originally posted by blupblup
The BNP are absolutely abhorrent....FACT.

"Abhorrent" seems to be the default descriptive word for the BNP among media and politicians alike. Just find that interesting.

Point is blup, who would someone like me vote for? I find Labour to be far more abhorrent in their initiation of illegal wars, killing of thousands and introduction of mass surveillance. Lib Dems are pro EUSSR, the Tories are Labour with a different face and I'm suspicious of UKIP. What are my options?

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posted on May, 18 2009 @ 12:28 PM
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I'm not sure on this.

I know a good UKIP guy who's main drive is to get us away from a centralised government being run out of Brussels.

From my gleaning they are actually annoyed with the conservatives who took us into a trade agreement (a lie) with the EU which has facilitated our move into the EU...

They've produced a good couple of videos which are very anti-EU (and NWO). Here's a couple:

No Remote Control
Out of control

To me, they seem to make sense. Yes they shout out who you should not vote for, but they have tried the 'vote for us because' approach but no-one seems to listen. It takes lots of cash to get your word out OR some very 'out there' policies which get media coverage (like BNP). UKIP hardly get any airtime in the UK because the uk media is so pro EU.

I'd love the UKIP word to get out there to the masses in the UK.



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by Cythraul
Ask Common Purpose and the NWO
. They villify anything British and non-inclusive and they seek to displace indigenous Brits.


I thought it was relatively straight forward.... i was asking you?





Being "whites only" makes them racialist, not racist. The difference is that racism is based on prejudice, hate and notions of superiority. Racialism merely acknowledges that different races, with different cultures and homelands, exist. Is the Black Police Association racist?


I find that quite bizarre personally.
It's the same word effectively.



Noun 1. racialist - a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others


And the black police association was born out of racism.
If it wasn't for the abuse and discrimination that black police officers suffered....there would have been no need for the BPA.






Illegal immigrants, certainly. I actually think the most effective thing would be to stop the entire world seeing Britain as a honeypot. That in itself would partially solve the problem and no-one would need feel rejected. This could be done by having a more sensible benefits system (other countries only allow immigrants to claim benefits after they've lived there for a certain period of time), insisting that everyone speak the language (a la Switzerland) and limiting funding for specialist minority groups and religions.


Well as you know I'm NOT talking about illegal immigrants...i was referring to this section... please don't deflect


and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.


Why should anybody volunteer to leave Britain...?

As i said IMO, if people didn't volunteer.... then the BNP would start making it compulsory for certain numbers to be deported.






We can only go by stated policies. To make presumptions based on media bias is both undemocratic and unfair.


I am not making any assumptions based on anything other than my own opinion.
I have my own mind and am not swayed by any media propaganda on ANY issue..... i have always hated racism and racist parties and groups like the NF, combat 18 and the BNP.





What exactly do you love about it? What has improved? Note: ethnic restaurants does not constitute multiculturalism. A country can bring in a small amount of foreign influence whilst fully retaining traditional values. I LOVE cultures other than my own and I see that the only way of preserving them is to allow each one to hold onto its identity and homeland.


I love the fact that our country is a microcosm of the world as a whole.
I love having friends and colleagues of all nationalities.
It makes life interesting and diverse.

I love learning new things and being able to talk to people from other Countries first hand, IMO, is absolutely amazing.

I think, excluding ignorant bigots and blatant racist, that tolerance of other cultures and races has greatly improved.


What exactly DON'T you like about it?






"Abhorrent" seems to be the default descriptive word for the BNP among media and politicians alike. Just find that interesting.
Point is blup, who would someone like me vote for? I find Labour to be far more abhorrent in their initiation of illegal wars, killing of thousands and introduction of mass surveillance. Lib Dems are pro EUSSR, the Tories are Labour with a different face and I'm suspicious of UKIP. What are my options?


Again.... i bring my own description and opinion of the BNP into this discussion, not what i have heard on the news.

I am in the same boat, I don't like either of the main parties.... can't stand the lies and hypocrisy of either of them.

I used to vote Lib dems and have even voted green party in my younger days....

But honestly mate.... i don't know... only you can know who is right to vote for.

But if you can honestly look long and hard at the BNP and what they represent and still want to vote for them....then


I just don't know what to say man.....








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posted on May, 18 2009 @ 12:41 PM
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I might vote for Respect,the three main parties just infuriate me to no end...i know the country is still going to go down the pooper in the end though with the conservatives in charge...watch for the 180 on numerous policies and promises



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by blupblup
I thought it was relatively straight forward.... i was asking you?

In my opinion, the NWO are destroying my heritage because cultural unity makes their plan for enslavement more difficult. Once Europe has been turned into a third world continent, they'll start on destroying third world cultures and ethnic groups.


Originally posted by blupblup

Noun 1. racialist - a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others

I must have seen a different definition. Thanks for that. Point still stands though - acknowledgement of the differences that make different ethnicities and cultures so wonderful is not 'racist' in the popular perception of the word. It does not require hatred or supremacy, just an understanding that multiple ethnic identities is better than forcing the world to adhere to one new 'world ethnicity'.


Originally posted by blupblup
And the black police association was born out of racism.
If it wasn't for the abuse and discrimination that black police officers suffered....there would have been no need for the BPA.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Past white on black racism aside, do you agree that the BPA is 'racist' by your definition? How about when non-whites are the dominant ethnic group in the UK. Would a White Police Association be acceptable then, out of interest?


Originally posted by blupblup
i was referring to this section... please don't deflect
Why should anybody volunteer to leave Britain...?

They shouldn't have to. But the world is fast growing full of people who are geographically disconnected from their ancestral homelands. I'd suggest we'd all be happier where our roots run most deep... but that gets into all kinds of spiritual concepts.


Originally posted by blupblup
I love the fact that our country is a microcosm of the world as a whole.

You love the fact that Britain is becoming less and less unique? I think the fundamental difference of opinion you and I will struggle to overcome is that I don't want to be part of a uniform global community. I want to be part of a community that echoes Britain's rich past, and then the ability to travel elsewhere and experience someone else's rich past. Worldwide multiculturalism will eventually make that impossible. How evil is that?


Originally posted by blupblup
What exactly DON'T you like about it?

Well I'll make no secrets about my dislike for Islam, but this isn't the place for that. I believe that our growing materialistic tendency is partially being brought about because of a lack of cultural cohesion. You no-longer know your next-door neighbours name, let alone whether they even speak English or not. Multiculturalism requires that everyone be constantly wary, stepping on eggshells to ensure that they don't insult the person in the street. A shared culture means shared values and a shared perception of what kind of speech and practice is acceptable.

In short, multiculturalism is - unfortunately - systematically flawed and as the immigrant communities acquire greater confidence to demand that their home cultures be made fully acceptable here, incompatibility issues will become increasingly apparent until consequences arise. Sad but true.

But the most important point of all is that - whether you want multiculturalism or not - it is NOT being promoted by governments for the reasons stated. Rather, there is a sinister agenda behind it and that in itself makes the whole concept worth questioning.



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 01:20 PM
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UKIP are the good guys.
I'm voting for them because they want to get some current and past MPs prosecuted for treason and sedition.
There is a law in our country that dictates that no outside force (the EU) can change the laws of the UK unless we have been defeated in a war and signed a *declaration of defeat* (this comment in *'s might not sound right because i couldn't think of the correct word).
The last time the UK lost a war was in 1066.

I also like their policies on no 100% immigration and the fact they want to keep Britain "British" (like BNP but with out the racism)



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 01:38 PM
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But didnt the queen sign ?something? sorry
when labour came into power that would get through that loophole?



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