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The UKIP Conspiracy & Its Immediate Relevance

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posted on May, 17 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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Those following British politics will be aware of the recent debacle involving MP's expense claims. The public outrage has been huge, and one does not have to watch the BBC for long to hear some politician warning the public to not lodge a protest vote next month with one of the 'fringe' parties, or if they intend to do so, that it shouldn't be with the 'abhorrent' British National Party.

The Guardian newspaper last week told us that:

The UK Independence party rather than the BNP appears to be the main beneficiary of public disillusionment with the political elite, according to polling this week.


This is interesting. Now, I'm not subscribing to any particle side here, but one thing I do know for sure is that ANY genuine Nationalist political movement poses a grave threat to the New World Order. If one takes it that the UK's establishment parties are controlled by the international banking elite who seek to impose a global tyranny (as I do), then one has to wonder precisely what lengths the establishment will go to, to suppress any Nationalist uprising.

Enter UKIP.


The leadership: 75%. Penetrated by a pro-EU leadership since the 1960’s, the Conservative Party is the primary instrument of the European Union in Britain. The Party founded Common Purpose in 1970, and created the UK Independence Party (UKIP) in 1992 as a honey trap to neutralise activists.

www.eutruth.org.uk

Furthermore, I stumbled across a post on another forum where somebody wrote the following in their blog. This blogger does appear to be a BNP supporter, and as such may be biased against UKIP, but if the information is verifiable, it certainly paints a very sinister picture of UKIP's agenda:


Reading the Election Results Round-up in last May's Voice of Freedom [BNP publication], it is instructive to see where many of these UKIP candidates chose to stand. In most cases they are precisely in those wards where the BNP was expected to do well. For example, in Dudley Gornal Ward UKIP's intervention cost us the seat - if their 477 votes were added to our 1,170, we would have defeated the winning Tory candidate. Likewise, in Dudley St James where if the UKIP 426 was added to the BNP's 743 votes we would have romped home against the winning Labour candidate. UKIP fielded two more candidates in Dudley in strong BNP wards. Thankfully the BNP juggernaut was just too strong for the ploy to work, but in Parsloes ward Labour came within two votes of defeating us, thanks to a UKIP candidate picking up 423 votes.
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The government's intention is clearly that voters will choose UKIP as a more 'acceptable' expression of protest, avoiding the vilification heaped on BNP supporters.
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Creating a bogus and emasculated 'protest' vehicle like UKIP is the oldest trick in the book even the Cazrist Russians used it to some effect. It is essential we don't let our own government fool the public in this way.

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To me, this would make an enormous amount of sense. It is essential that the establishment find a way to neutralise the 'nationalist' vote in order to prevent anything obstructing their 'globalist' ideal. Whether you support globalism or nationalism, it's worth considering.

So if you're thinking of voting UKIP, might be worth doing a little research first.


*Note: I do not necessarily accept the BNP as legitimate, or even righteous*




posted on May, 17 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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UKIP is a conservative honeypot...i would vote for neither of these four parties.Im voting for a fifth party...not telling you who though



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 03:58 PM
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Unfortunately the BNP is not a nationalist organisation but a racist and fascist party. Furthermore, UKIP voters do not necessarily vote for BNP if they are the only option. I have spoken to a few UKIP officials in the leadership committee and they are well meaning patriots and welcoming of all races in their organisation.



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by masonwatcher
I have spoken to a few UKIP officials in the leadership committee and they are well meaning patriots and welcoming of all races in their organisation.

I have no doubt that some of them are well-meaning, but what were the original reasons for the formation of UKIP? I have to wonder - they won seats in the European Parliament 5 years ago and the only time I ever seem hear of them is when elections are coming up. What exactly have they achieved?



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 04:35 PM
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The BNP have been crying for years over UKIP. Nothing to do with a conspiracy, just the British public do not want a party with Afrikaner racialist views governing the Kingdom.



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 04:37 PM
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reply to post by infinite
 


Is that your view of the BNP or the media?

two lines..i swear.



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 04:52 PM
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Public opinion clearly shows the BNP is nothing but a minority party unable to pull the support on the level of UKIP or the Greens. I mean, why vote for a party whose leader, today, claimed a victory cross honour was only given to a solider because he was black
completely forgetting the heroic action he took.



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posted on May, 17 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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Yeah you didn't answer my question...



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 04:56 PM
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I did, but do you have the capability to understand and analysis someone's opinion/

Your immaturity perplexes, well, it doesn't. After all, didn't you deny the holocaust in another thread?



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 04:59 PM
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The BNP are an absolute disgrace to this country....as are it's supporters.

They should be booted out.....



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 05:00 PM
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Wrong on both accounts.But atleast you tried to attempt at a snide,unfulfilling comment that never truly gives an answer,i'll give you that atleast.



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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You have the behavioural capacity of a child.

In fact, majority of BNP supporters believe they're persecuted by the government - you are your own biggest enemy. BNP lose support when the activist opens his/her mouths, the public understands not that their racist - but the party members know absolutely nothing.

I've asked a BNP activist to explain the economic left wing populism the party supports. Well, it was a murderous attempt that concluded the rank and file are too nonchalant to be given power.

[edit on 17-5-2009 by infinite]



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 05:12 PM
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Thankyou for yet another insult..based on the fact you "suppose" i support BNP when i have not and never will.The only child here is quite apparent infinite.If you want to debate me use facts and a coherent argument.This nonsense of having the mental capacity of a child is just plain boring and dull.



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by masonwatcher
Unfortunately the BNP is not a nationalist organisation but a racist and fascist party.

Really? As far as I can see the only party promoting ID cards, DNA databases, mass surveillance, limitation of free-speech (through political correctness), illegal wars and taxpayer exploitation is Labour. Fascism: check! As for racism, the word has been so overused in the wrong context that it carries such little significance, even for joe public. I keep trying to find a racist (as in supremacist, hateful) BNP policy but I can't. Please help.

As for UKIP, they support multiculturalism. I wonder how multiculturalism can be reconciled with nationalism in the real world. An interesting thought.


Originally posted by infinite
the British public do not want a party with Afrikaner racialist views governing the Kingdom.

Just a thought - isn't demanding that all cultures disband in the name of a new global culture the most racist ideal of all? I hate racism.


Originally posted by infinite
I mean, why vote for a party whose leader, today, claimed a victory cross honour was only given to a solider because he was black
completely forgetting the heroic action he took.

Unsure what you were on about, I did a search for this and found this on the BNP's website:

The BNP has never claimed that Mr Beharry “only got a VC because he was black” as the lying headline smears allege - and which can easily be refuted by simply reading the original article. We described the bravery of Johnson Beharry as “routine” in the context of the countless examples of the similar bravery of the men with whom he served and also fought alongside.


Seems there might be another side to that story.


Originally posted by blupblup
The BNP are an absolute disgrace to this country....as are it's supporters.

They should be booted out.....

That seems democratic



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by blupblup
The BNP are an absolute disgrace to this country....as are it's supporters.

There appear to be an awful lot of people planning on voting BNP next month. Can you say with absolute certainty that each and every one of them is "a disgrace"? Seems a little irrational to me.

I came across this yesterday on www.thelondondailynews.com

Labour : 9.99% (345)
Conservative : 29.42% (1016)
Liberal Democrat : 13.17% (455)
Green : 2.46% (85)
BNP : 38.30% (1323)
UKIP : 3.50% (121)
Other : 3.16% (109)



I must admit I was quite stunned. Surely an overexaggeration.



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 04:25 AM
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How many times were you allowed to vote? Was it a typical open poll, that allows someone to vote numerous times. You cannot tell.

Cythraul, you're a smart person. Do not believe the so-called "PC attitude" towards a Black solider who risked his own life to save others. If the gentlemen in question was white, I'd doubt Nick Griffin would question the awarding of the medal.

From another thread...


Originally posted by Solomons
As for meinkampf...funny you mention it because mein kampf was the book that made me question the things i had been taught at school.


There is my argument. Your admiration for Mein Kampf Solomons


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[edit on 18-5-2009 by infinite]



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 06:31 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
How many times were you allowed to vote? Was it a typical open poll, that allows someone to vote numerous times. You cannot tell.

I was only allowed to vote once
. Obviously, various opinion polls will show contrasting results. I merely found this one interesting as it goes, staggeringly, against the mainstream media's reported claims that UKIP are benefitting from recent scandals rather than the BNP.


Originally posted by infinite
Cythraul, you're a smart person. Do not believe the so-called "PC attitude" towards a Black solider who risked his own life to save others. If the gentlemen in question was white, I'd doubt Nick Griffin would question the awarding of the medal.

Why thank you infinite. I didn't say what I do and don't believe. My only 'agenda' in this thread would be to suggest that we don't automatically buy into media propaganda about both the BNP and UKIP. I'm not promoting either. It seems reasonable to me that a powerful Globalist Agenda would go to great deceptive lengths to defame a nationalist political party. Do you not see the logic in that infinite? I suppose it requires that one first accept the NWO as real and I'm not quite sure where you stand on that.



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 06:58 AM
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Bluntly, the petty bickering prevalent at the start of this thread stops as of this post, please.

Any more of it willl be classed as either off-topic or ad-homina and will be removed.

First and only warning.



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 07:15 AM
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I had a leaflet rammed into my hand on Friday morning on the way into work, saying not to vote for the BNP, issued by the UKIP

What should be done, is research into why people would vote for the BNP instead. What type of policies are making people head over to them. That is where the gold lies. A party who is just racist would not be doing as well or perceived as a threat.

There you go. Find out why people are interested in them and then you'll have a solution. Any Muppet can just point at them and shout 'Bad! Bad!'

For me I get fed up of people telling me who not to vote for. It's making me want to vote for them just to piss these people off

Does that me racist or fascist? No.

Will I be voting for the UKIP? No, not voting for a party who's only agenda is to rant about who not to vote for. What type of idiocy is that?

So, stop telling people who NOT to vote for!
Instead, find someone who we SHOULD vote for.




posted on May, 18 2009 @ 07:41 AM
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What is the BNP's stance on Gurkha resettlement into the UK? How is this congruent with their stance on ethnic repatriation?

What's their stance on fixing the economy? Can an economic crisis be averted via merely booting out ethnics?

The BNP are a bunch of illiterate thugs. I wouldn't vote for them mainly because I doubt their intelligence, rather than because of their racist views. They are racist, but that's ok... its a free country, they can espouse what they want. Promoting the "repatriation" of ethnic minorities to create a white-only state is racist, and it's ridiculous to state that it's not. Supporters of the BNP would do better to be honest and call themselves a racist/ racialist party.

UKIP on the other hand, make sensible statements that are based on reality. Nigel Farage is a capable leader, who has consistently shown that his party is the party of true nationalism, devoid of any racist undertones.
I respect UKIP.

Personally, I'm voting Tory. Centre- right politics are enough for me. For anyone who needs a far-right govt, consider UKIP instead of the BNP. The difference between them is a vast gulf, personified by the difference in eloquence and intellect between Nigel Farage and Nick Griffin.



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