Pat Robertson: Gay marriage is 'the beginning in a long downward slide' to legalized child molesta

reply to post by jfj123


What a great thread addressing one of the most ignorant and dangerous minds to ever be put on Television. I sometimes find myself wondering how he gets away with saying some of the ignorant and terrible things he says, many of his stances and philosophies blatantly contradict Christ and Christ-like teachings or peace, love, humility, etc... Robertson was one of the many reasons I dropped out of mainstream/modern Christianity (and religion altogether) to pursue real truth, the guy is a whack-job...

I always found it funny how many Christian "leaders" spread lies about homosexuality, so much so they seemed obsessed with it, as though other people's sexual identity is at all their business (and honestly I'd question their heterosexuality, since they seem to think about gays a lot ) I've known ignorant people like Robertson, they actually think the gay community is some nefarious enemy infiltrating our schools, religions and politics in an attempt to corrupt everyone, its a maddening, frightening, and ridiculously false mentality...

But, as much as I disagree with Robertson on almost every subject I have to admire him for exercising his First Amendment rights, even if what he's saying makes not one bit of sense and is likely injuring the psyches of this nations Christians...

(I remember once on his show a woman wrote in about her son having supposedly psychic powers, Robertson told her that these strange powers were perfectly natural, he then answered a letter about Horoscopes in which he told the woman that Astrology and dabbling in the occult could easily bring a curse down on her family and end up destroying it... So psychic powers are okay but checking your Horoscope gets you cursed )

"On the Christian Broadcasting Network today, Pat Robertson responded by claiming that the “ultimate conclusion” of increasing numbers in the Church would be the back room, closed door practice of polygamy, bestiality, child molestation, abortions, porn, rape, murder, death bludgeon and pedophilia. “You mark my words, this is just the beginning in a long downward slide in relation to all the things that we consider to be abhorrent. Basically everything that goes on behind the scenes with the Church but magnified. Not only are you all going to die, but you will burn in hellfire for eternity, shrieking without end” said Robertson."

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I believe an animal or an ink pen would not be able to display "consent" in a court of law.


You homophobes are a RIOT!!!

[edit on 17-5-2009 by Pilot]

reply to post by sos37

Please tell me why the message of the two men is different - not by content, obviously I understand the differences there, but why should one be allowed to go on preaching his hate on network TV while you think another should be silenced?

I do understand what you mean. Freedom of speech and all.

What would you think of a neo-nazi spouting off on TV that all Jews should be put in jail?

You would have the same sentiment.

We may support freedom of speech, but those kind of speeches are dangerous.

It's a fine line.

Both Gay Marriage and Polygamy takes place between consenting adults.

An animal cannot give consent for sex, yet, maybe someday we can read an animals mind and they might want to do it, highly unlikely, but never no.

The same goes for children, they cannot consent until they are old enough to know that they can say no and sort out choices of this nature.

However sure, take Polygamy out as well, I have no idea why consenting adults can't determine who they wish to hook up with legally. They can do it in private, why not let them do it in public.

Originally posted by Pilot
I believe an animal or an ink pen would not be able to display "consent" in a court of law.

You homophobes are a RIOT!!!

[edit on 17-5-2009 by Pilot]

It is only based on consent of two people NOW. It doesnt mean it cant be changed to be only one consentual adult or multiple consentual adults and an inanimate object. So since you are anti me marrying my ink pen does that make you a penaphobe? Why shouldnt I have a right to marry whatever I want? Is it because you hate me?

I am not against homosexuals. People can do whatever they want, its a free country. I just think it is ridiculous to take something that was created as a religious institution and make it meaningless just because you think you should be able to do what you want. Why cant you just call it a civil union. The funniest thing is that they are probably going to have a bunch of gay marriages in a Christian church. So they will be reading scriptures for a wedding from the same Bible that says homosexuality is wrong. I am not really a christian so much but I just think you should show some respect to other peoples beliefs. Why cant you just call it a civil union and separate it from the religious aspects.

reply to post by SoulOrb


Exactly. We should allow polygamy and marriage to whatever a person wants to be married to. Why should an animal have to give consent. Its an animal. Someones property. So if they want to marry it then its no different then them wanting to marry their pick up truck. So I guess what I am saying is I am pro gay marriage, pro-inanimate object marriage, pro animal marriage, pro whatever thing you can think of to marry.. just not pro adult/kid marriage.

Who and what are Christians. Now I say that because as another person recently showed me, a Christian is not self identified. They are labeled as a Christian by others, they say, those people are Christian because they have these ideas.

If you were Muslin in Iraq, and you read Thou Shalt Not Kill, and you look at the dead person next to you and think, I cannot label that Country Chrisitian. So to that person the Country is not Christian, because at that moment it did not reflect the standard of the belief they help.

So here we have this person giving testimony as a self identified Christian. I do not see him as a Christian yet, I need to know more before he can be considered a Christian, and since his full life is not on display, he will never be a Christian to me, so what he says is not important. He is just a person until he is labeled a Christian.

Pat Robertson is living proof of just how much the christian religion has been hijacked by the media elite. I even heard on of those T.V. preachers saying that the mark of the beast is not going to be the RFID chip. He went out of his way to explain this to his audience. Why??? But I suppose that's a subject for a whole different thread.
I've learned that the only difference between a straight guy and a gay guy is 2 to 5 drinks. Depending on the size and weight

reply to post by SoulOrb


My point is not what is a christian. I could say a christian and a muslim are both groups of people that worship and imaginary god. My point was people will get married in a church that is based on the bible. They will use scriptures, traditions, etc from the very bible that condemns homosexualty. I am not saying it is right for them to condemn it I just think it is kind of stupid for a gay couple to get married in a church based on a bible that says there very marriage is an abomination.

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I just think it is ridiculous to take something that was created as a religious institution and make it meaningless just because you think you should be able to do what you want. Why cant you just call it a civil union. The funniest thing is that they are probably going to have a bunch of gay marriages in a Christian church. So they will be reading scriptures for a wedding from the same Bible that says homosexuality is wrong. I am not really a christian so much but I just think you should show some respect to other peoples beliefs. Why cant you just call it a civil union and separate it from the religious aspects.

I do agree with you that it's a religious institution and meaningless.

However, if two consenting adults want to marry, LET THEM. Besides, many homosexuals are Christians.

And why should we respect others' beliefs? I can cite many, many examples. Including this ONE!

Besides, you were going off topic. This is about one homophobic and homosexual man claiming that allowing gay marriage will lead to other "nasty stuff".

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LOL, I would add one thing. The only difference between a gay guy and a straight guy after a few drink is that the next morning when the straight guy wakes up he is going to want to hang himself.

reply to post by justsomeboreddude

I am not saying it is right for them to condemn it I just think it is kind of stupid for a gay couple to get married in a church based on a bible that says there very marriage is an abomination.

Actually, this has been covered many times in ATS, it's not true.

Homosexuality and marriages between homosexuals are not abominations in the Bible.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
kind of stupid for a gay couple to get married in a church based on a bible that says there very marriage is an abomination.

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Yeah, it is strange, and I said something similar to a gay couple friends of mine a few years ago. And I also said, I do not see why you think the govt should force a private club in a way to go against its doctrine and marry you in a church. If what you want is financial stability and rights in a hospital to speak for your partner, that can be done at many places, and some gay friendly churches.

As for who Christians are , the bible is very clear as to what is a Christian, and the first Christians I think were named by Agustus Ceaser.

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by DarksDeception

 

He has been around a long, long time. He's been on TV for years. And people listen to him.

I live in Australia and I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

Do you know who Jerry Falwell is?

No, enlighten me?

The scary part is: He is being a Christian!!!!!!!!

Well not from what I can see, he isn't acting like one! I am not talking about the scripture that backs up his reasons, I am talking about the way Pat Robertson's own opinions are expressed and communicated to others.

[edit on 17-5-2009 by DarksDeception]

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by justsomeboreddude

 

I just think it is ridiculous to take something that was created as a religious institution and make it meaningless just because you think you should be able to do what you want. Why cant you just call it a civil union. The funniest thing is that they are probably going to have a bunch of gay marriages in a Christian church. So they will be reading scriptures for a wedding from the same Bible that says homosexuality is wrong. I am not really a christian so much but I just think you should show some respect to other peoples beliefs. Why cant you just call it a civil union and separate it from the religious aspects.

I do agree with you that it's a religious institution and meaningless.

However, if two consenting adults want to marry, LET THEM. Besides, many homosexuals are Christians.

And why should we respect others' beliefs? I can cite many, many examples. Including this ONE!

Besides, you were going off topic. This is about one homophobic and homosexual man claiming that allowing gay marriage will lead to other "nasty stuff".

I dont think I went off topic. He said it would lead to other "nasty stuff". I said he was right. Then everything after that has been to justify the logic that will be used in the future that will bring about the very things he is talking about.

All I can say is that if you are a homosexual and a christian then you havent read the bible. That would be the same as a straight couple going to a church that was based on a book that said a man and woman marrying each other should be stoned to death, that their relationship was an abomination before the very god they believed in. That wouldnt be very smart, would it? It would be like a black couple getting married at a KKK rally.

I am not saying the bible is right, I am just saying if I was a homosexual the last thing on earth I would be is a christian.

[edit on 5/17/2009 by justsomeboreddude]

Originally posted by Deaf Alien

Actually, this has been covered many times in ATS, it's not true.

Homosexuality and marriages between homosexuals are not abominations in the Bible.

Well the only answer I have for that is read the Bible. I have read it and it is pretty clear that the God the Christians worship is not a big fan of a man and a man or a woman and a woman having sex together.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
property. So if they want to marry it then its no different then them wanting to marry their pick up truck. So I guess what I am saying is I am pro gay marriage, pro-inanimate object

Oh no, what will the women in the country do? 1:30pm I come across a nice little town on the highway. Not a soul anywhere, until I come over a hill, and there they are, few dozen guys, hoods on about 5 pickup trucks open, and all standing around discussing the engines. Not a babe to be seen.

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I totally agree SoulOrb. There are plenty of places a gay couple could be married that would be built on principles that are a bit more gay friendly than a Christian church.

reply to post by justsomeboreddude


None have hung themselves so far but that look on their faces is priceless. And you never have to worry about making breakfast because their out the door before the coffee stops brewing. I just wonder what they tell their wives when they get home.