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posted on May, 17 2009 @ 11:56 AM
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Pat Robertson: Gay marriage 'beginning in a long downward slide' to legalized child molestation.


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Yesterday, when Gov. John Baldacci (D) signed a marriage equality law, Maine became the fifth state to allow legal same-sex marriage. On the Christian Broadcasting Network today, Pat Robertson responded by claiming that the “ultimate conclusion” of legalizing same-sex marriage would be the legalization of polygamy, bestiality, child molestation and pedophilia. “You mark my words, this is just the beginning in a long downward slide in relation to all the things that we consider to be abhorrent,” said Robertson. Watch it:
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posted on May, 17 2009 @ 11:56 AM
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Robertson's comments are both irrational and irresponsible. Unfortunately, this demented individual has a podium from which to speak and spew his hate speech. Although he has the legal right to say these things, the networks which run his show should seriously consider removing him.

How can any rational person link gay marriage to beastiality, child molestation, etc...

His statements promote hate and create divides between people so I thought it was important for everyone to see what kind of person he really is and what he'll do and say to achieve his agenda.

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posted on May, 17 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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Smart enough to split an atom,gaze into the depths of the universe... yet still dumb enough to not recognise the love between two peoples no matter what genitalia they have


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posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:04 PM
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I will never support the man or what he believes, but will support his right to say such. I know that men like him have a lot of sway among their flocks. But what I am mostly concerned with is when it has the potential to turn violent. Too many relegious figures use their right to speak as a means to turn the faithful to the fanatics and only the innocent gets hurt. He is entitled to his opinion, but I am entitled to turn the TV off. What I find more interesting is that he does not listen to the experts or read the statistics in these cases. Most peodaphiles who do such to children are normally married or straight, and very close to the children involved. I also know that most gay men, the majority of whom I have talked to, when you mention someone under age, tend to scorn and get very upset.
For good or bad, we just have to be understanding that he and others like him are going to say things that we all wish they would not, and that we like most people have a choice, to listen, change the channel or turn the TV off.
I think what I am most concerned about when it comes to Pat Robinson, and others like him, is that one day one of them will get real political power and make it into office. On that day I will be looking at the rise of a new kind of dictatorship in America.



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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When will people learn that religion and politics is here to split us rather than bring us together like we should be.

Honestly... sometimes people assume they are better than others just because of some stupid little title they give themselves.

Everyone is equal.
Everyone must open their eyes.
Drop the ancient hates
and enjoy life!



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:12 PM
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My, oh my, oh my...

What an absolute incredible mindset we have come across here. Can this person really be so closed minded, intolerant and, quite frankly, stupid?

To suggest that same sex marriage will lead to all the nonsense he spouts is completely illogical to me.

Why are people so afraid of that they fail to understand?

This man should not have a platform from which to spout his hate.

It sickens me that people can use religion as an excuse for intolerance. This is part of the reason I am an Atheist - that and the fact I don't BELIEVE in any god or gods.

Check this out - I think it says more than I ever could on this issue...


"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period." –Pat Robertson



"(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." –Pat Robertson



"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." –Pat Robertson, calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez


A truly well rounded and tolerant individual...

Need I say more?

Peace,

MGGG



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:13 PM
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Awesome response there friend!

I would like to add, what is the difference; if the relationship is full of love?
Two loving fathers = a good home.
Two loving mothers = a good home.

Honestly If I had been raised by two of my father or two of my mother I would be 100 times the person I am today.

Sometimes I just cant understand where these people get their logic from... then again it is a form of disinfo from this man and the group he represents. The 25 Rules of Spreading Disinformation



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Pat Robertson: Gay marriage 'beginning in a long downward slide' to legalized child molestation.


thinkprogress.org

Yesterday, when Gov. John Baldacci (D) signed a marriage equality law, Maine became the fifth state to allow legal same-sex marriage. On the Christian Broadcasting Network today, Pat Robertson responded by claiming that the “ultimate conclusion” of legalizing same-sex marriage would be the legalization of polygamy, bestiality, child molestation and pedophilia. “You mark my words, this is just the beginning in a long downward slide in relation to all the things that we consider to be abhorrent,” said Robertson. Watch it:
(visit the link for the full news article)



Pat Robertson in my opinion is just a wacko. What the heck is he thinking when he say's these things?The sad part is some people actually buy into his crap.I know everyone has there own ideals and opinions but I have gay friends some of whom are parents and excellent ones to my standards.In my opinion Pat Robertson just needs to chill and keep his distorted opinions to himself.



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posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by jfj123
 


I will never support the man or what he believes, but will support his right to say such. I know that men like him have a lot of sway among their flocks. But what I am mostly concerned with is when it has the potential to turn violent. Too many relegious figures use their right to speak as a means to turn the faithful to the fanatics and only the innocent gets hurt. He is entitled to his opinion, but I am entitled to turn the TV off. What I find more interesting is that he does not listen to the experts or read the statistics in these cases. Most peodaphiles who do such to children are normally married or straight, and very close to the children involved. I also know that most gay men, the majority of whom I have talked to, when you mention someone under age, tend to scorn and get very upset.
For good or bad, we just have to be understanding that he and others like him are going to say things that we all wish they would not, and that we like most people have a choice, to listen, change the channel or turn the TV off.
I think what I am most concerned about when it comes to Pat Robinson, and others like him, is that one day one of them will get real political power and make it into office. On that day I will be looking at the rise of a new kind of dictatorship in America.


Very well said !!
Thanks for your post.

That's my fear as well. As far as I know, there has never been a society that has been fair and just when it is soley based on religious beliefs.



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:14 PM
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That man is unbelievable - the things he says and gets attention from them! It is disgusting - how can religious people be so JUDGEMENTAL? Isn't one of the first things in the bible - "Do not judge others"?

Sorry, but it seems the most religious are the most judgemental and then to say things as he has/did goes very far down in my book!



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:17 PM
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Pat Robertson, and those who think like him, had better hope that they will not some day have to stand before God to justify their own lives.

I'd love to be there to here Pat explain how spreading intolerance and hatred was his perceived mission from God.

Now THAT would be a pay-per-view event I'd fork over some cash for!



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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I agree with you one hundred percent. I cease to be amazed how so many people who are always preaching love and light and forgiveness are so hypocritical and intolerant.

I sincerely hope that in the unlikely event of a god existing that it decides to damn all these hypocritical believers and let all us nice, peaceful and friendly atheists into whatever paradise exists in this unlikely scenario with a greeting along the lines of:

"Welcome - you may not have believed in me but, you know what, you lead a cool life and weren't a hypocrite so enjoy. The bar is over there and the tab is on me..."

Now that would make me smile...

Peace,

MGGG



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:26 PM
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Some more idiotic quotes from pat robertson


"God considers this land to be his. You read the Bible and he says 'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine.' ... He was dividing God's land. And I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the E.U., the United Nations, or the United States of America.' God says, 'This land belongs to me. You better leave it alone.'" --Pat Robertson, on why Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a massive stroke

He says god gave him a stroke.....REALLY!?!?!


"Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department

All I can say to this one is HEIL ROBERTSON ! What a violent little christian he is !


"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for his help because he might not be there." --Pat Robertson, after the city of Dover, Pennsylvania voted to boot the current school board, which instituted an intelligent design policy that led to a federal trial

So good ole pat thinks god is going to take out everyone in Dover....even the one's who didn't vote for it? AGAIN.... REALLY???


"I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you, This is not a message of hate -- this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor." –Pat Robertson, on "gay days" at Disneyworld

So gay day at disney land = horrific mass destruction ???


"Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history."

I think this speaks for itself


The reason I brought this to ATS is that robertsons hate speech has been flying below the radar too long. People should know what he's really about.



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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Here are some of robertson's predictions. Apparently he fancies himself as some sort of psychic given visions from god.


* In 1980, Robertson predicted the start of World War III, telling his audience that God said the year would be full of "sorrow and bloodshed that will have no end soon, for the world is being torn apart, and my kingdom shall rise from the ruins of it." He also prophecied in the same year that the Soviet Union would invade the Middle East to seize its oil reserves.
* In 1988, Robertson claimed that God told him to run for president. He did not win the Republican primary.
* In his 1991 book The New World Order, Robertson forecast that U.S. Senator Jay Rockefeller would be elected president in 1996.
* In 1998, Robertson threatened that, as punishment for flying rainbow flags during Disney World's annual Gay Days event, the city of Orlando would be struck by "earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor".
* In 2004, Robertson predicted that George W. Bush would win reelection in "a blowout". Although Bush was reelected, it was by 50.7% to 48.3% - the closest ever margin for a sitting president.
* In January 2006, Robertson forecast that the U.S. midterm elections would leave the Republican party in control of Congress. He also predicted that the Iraq war would "come to a successful conclusion" that year and U.S. troops would begin withdrawing.
* Robertson also predicted in 2006 that devastating storms and hurricanes would lash the U.S. coast. He must have thought this a particularly safe guess, but in fact no hurricanes made landfall in the U.S. in that year.

www.daylightatheism.org...


Television preacher Pat Robertson had his annual confab with God the other day, and the news is not good. According to the fundamentalist fortuneteller of Virginia Beach, 2007 looks pretty grim.

Addressing his “700 Club” audience on Tuesday, Robertson said this year will see “mass killings” caused by an attack on American soil. This attack, which Robertson claims is scheduled to occur sometime after September, will affect major cities and millions of people. Robertson stressed that the “Lord didn’t say [it would be a] nuclear” attack, but he was confident that it would be.

This isn’t the first time Robertson has predicted overwhelming death and destruction. In 2005, he said the Indian Ocean tsunami that claimed over 200,000 lives would “look like a picnic” compared to what was to come. In 2006, he said that the “Lord himself is going to shake the Earth;” the shaking will be the “birth pangs…of a more glorious order that is coming.”

Robertson has been predicting World War III for some time now. Back in 1980, he claimed that God told him it would be a year of “sorrow and bloodshed that will have no end soon, for the world is being torn apart, and my kingdom shall rise from the ruins of it.” He even predicted the world would be in “maximum peril” before 1982.

Despite many failed predictions, Robertson boasted on Tuesday, “I have a relatively good track record.”

blog.au.org...



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:34 PM
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I won't comment on religion here but I'd like to contribute what I know about Elliott Wave Theory. EWT is generally used to study cycles in stock markets. It's a fascinating topic and I know quite a lot about it, having studied it for 30 years.

Basically, it's the theory that there are cycles which are somewhat definable, visible and therefore predictable. That's the theory. On a day to day basis, you can lose your shirt in the stock market if you rely on this theory and nothing else. Trust me, I know about losing money. But it's also dependable enough that I've gotten all that money back.

Ok, this theory also points out that no matter which time scale you're looking at, the waves of the cycle repeat in predictable fashion. It's like fractals. And I know with 100% certainty, that part of the theory is correct and irrefutable. In other words, it doesn't matter what the time scale is, on the chart you're looking at... the wave shape will be the same. In fact, if you showed a chart to an Elliottician and hid the time scale of it, he wouldn't know if it's a chart showing 5 minute intervals of time, or 5 year intervals. The entire theory relies heavily on the Fibonacci Sequence.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This theory therefore also predicts cycles of civilization and of human behaviour... because those things change as economic conditions change.

And right now, it appears that we are in the downward leg of what they call a Grand Supercycle Wave. And it's not good news over the next decade or so. It portends much more economic disaster world wide before this is over. That having been said, after all that doom and gloom is finished, it's another up-leg that will bring humanity to technological and spiritual levels that we can't even fathom today. So in the long term, it's good news. In the short term (over the next 5-10 years) it's pretty ugly.

Therefore, no matter what you think of Robertson, his prediction is not out of line. C'mon, 30 years ago you wouldn't even hear the work shyte on the TV. Nowadays, it's 'F' this and 'F' that, constantly. That alone show that society has indeed been spiraling downward when we're looking at morals... that's not even dabatable. If there were gay cowboys in the days of Billy the Kid, you can bet your bottom dollar they didn't go swishin' into the saloon together. Nowadays, that's commonplace.

The study of Elliott Wave Theory is relatively simple but with half a million rules, it becomes somewhat complex. Some analysts claim it's all bunk. It isn't.

Here's a stylized picture of the general wave pattern from Bob Prechter's site:

www.elliottwave.com...

Bob Prechter is the world's preeminent guru in this field. I read books he wrote back in the '90's such as "At The Crest of The Tidal Wave" and they turned out to be very prophetic.

Any of you who get interested in this study will find that it's exceedingly helpful in trying to discern the path humanity will take and in fact, understand the path we've taken to get to this point in time. Pat Robertson, I hate to say it... is possibly right.


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posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:37 PM
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Dear Mr. Robertson,
I hope FINALLY you have jumped the shark. But lest you worry about that, FYI no one has practiced bestiality with that shark.
Sincerely,
Another Type of Concerned American Woman



Originally posted by sdcigarpig
I think what I am most concerned about when it comes to Pat Robinson, and others like him, is that one day one of them will get real political power and make it into office. On that day I will be looking at the rise of a new kind of dictatorship in America.


We are finally coming off of a decades long marriage of politics and religion. Robertson did actually run for the office of POTUS (1980's). Not being individually successful, his real inroad into politics came with founding the Christian Coalition. He, and others of his ilk, DID obtain real political power, in their influence of the Republican Party platform and domestic and foreign policy in Washington.

We are thus coming off the "rise in a new kind of dictatorship", where unilateral power was given to the POTUS by Congress, and the POTUS sought utmost power under his unitary executive theory.



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:39 PM
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I can't buy into this. I cannot and will not believe that the human race will allow itself to descend into allowing what Pat Robinson suggests.

Would we not as a species be outraged?

Swearing on TV? What harm does it do?
Gay marriage? What harm does it do?

Child abuse? I'm not going to even ask the question.

Albertarocks, with all due respect, Pat Robinson is wrong. Have some faith in humanity - I urge you.

Peace,

MGGG



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:45 PM
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People the scary thing is there are literally millions of people that take this man's word as gospel...that is terrifying when you think about it. His little 700 Club has been going strong for decades and he has his own little Law School, Regent University which the Bush boys got alot of their people from.

Regent is all about bringing "god" back into law and the US government...yeah whose god is the question certainly not mine! This guy has real influence in the Republican Party and if any of you are old enough to remember had a little run for the POTUS, thank heavens it went no where.

This level of ignorant speech has been going strong now for years and so sad to say it will continue as the likes of Robertson and old Falwell keep popping up as the old guard dies off. In some ways I see these people as far more dangerous to our nation than any thug drug dealer on the street. Spreading hatred under the guise of religion is the lowest of the low and one of the most successful endeavors of fundies. And he has the audacity to rail against the Muslims when his rhetoric is as dangerous and deadly as theirs.



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by machinegun_go_go
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I can't buy into this. I cannot and will not believe that the human race will allow itself to descend into allowing what Pat Robinson suggests.

Would we not as a species be outraged?

Swearing on TV? What harm does it do?
Gay marriage? What harm does it do?

Child abuse? I'm not going to even ask the question.

Albertarocks, with all due respect, Pat Robinson is wrong. Have some faith in humanity - I urge you.

Peace,

MGGG


Fair enough! Many people don't buy into Elliott Wave Theory and that's totally acceptable.

Am I missing something here? If I'm reading this correctly, Pat Robertson is not supporting the hellish activities he's speaking about. He's not promoting them, is he? Or am I reading this all wrong? As I understand it, he's only warning that if we keep on this same path, these things may well come to pass.

And about swearing on TV! I don't particularly like it, but it's funny sometimes and effective as an important part of developing a character sometimes. That's beside the point. My point is that society is loosening it's morals as time goes by. Even you would admit that.

Listen, I'm only offering the suggestion that we back up 100 years and look at what has happened to mankind's moral standards and that there is a pattern to it. Don't shoot the messenger, bro! And do I like Pat Robertson? Ya, like I enjoy root canals. More accurately, I honestly don't know his political views. I'm not aware of what he's said. I just listened to the man once in my life and have tuned him out ever since.

Machinegun, as much as I'd like to have faith in humanity, I'm not blind. Look at the NWO agenda, look at the constant warring at their command, look at the financial situation they've wrought upon the USA and the entire world for that matter. And you ask me to have faith? Sorry man... I'm having a little trouble with that at the moment. Maybe in the future, but not right now. Now I feel bad because I get the sense you're blaming me for the fact that something as deplorable as the topic of this thread isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Peace!

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posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:52 PM
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I think the danger with extremists like Pat Robertson who are obviously wrong is that they can potentially alter the debate on subjects like gay marriage by shifting the consensus opinion away from a reasonable position.

In many respects, political debates are like business negotiations or other bargains. Two or more sides take their initial positions, there is some bargaining and compromise, then a consensus is reached somewhere in the middle. When people like Pat Robertson take hard positions that are far away from a reasonable compromise, the final solution is going to be far away from a reasonable medium.

When people like Pat Robertson throw hateful comments into the debate, the question to be resolved changes from "How are we going to characterize gay people's long term relationships?" to "Whether or not we should burn gay people at the stake?" Gay people are not just fighting for the right to marry, but are now fighting to be free from persecution.





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