reply to post by Donkey_Dean
Are you saying my post is idiotic?
replying from my point of view,
We can all get emotional debating so I wouldnt worry to much.
There are just a couple of reasons we (USA) are interested in Kazakhstan friend! It is a strategic staging and supply location for our wars in the
area. We also want their cooperation should an event with Iran take place. That’s why we do not say anything about their friends etc. Is that to
simple to be acceptable?
Now you are onto something worded like that.
Indeed this is the aim of this thread to Find the true reason for their influence, and also explore any alternative reasons to.
Indeed it's geographical location does indicate it's importance both for the Arabian peninsula, the Caucus, China and Rusiia etc, so this must be a
huge driver, though if were the case I would suggest one of the superpowers would have bullied, plied with money and diplomatically tried to have had
more influence than any of the other ones by now.
Basically I am amazed the country has not been put on a "leash" as such yet.
Still with all this and the wealth, and the future strategic and mineral issues it still to me does seem he has an ace up his sleeve that only the
other players are aware of.
reply to post by mahtoosacks
I must be clear here with this,
Though I am not denying the possibility lol, The entire Borat Dis info agent was made in jest at the end of the post to add humour. Though I agree
entirely, and am aware of the manipulative power of television and the media, and its usage on perceptions and beliefs, that remark was not meant
seriously at all. I am sure some will find affinity with that part of the OP but to be honest I see Sacha as just a very fine comedian, very
intelligent indeed and excellent at doing unusual things, and going a bit beyond the normal "Boundaries", but really I dont think in any way he is a
puppet of an organisation and choose Khazakhstan, for any such reason.
In fact the reason he did choose it is probably down to the mis conception we all seem to have about this country, myself included until I researched
it a bit, and if any of the development of the country gets into mass consciousness and awareness and MSM his character is dead as its basis will be
gone. He would have been better choosing a neighboring one, for longevity of his character and therefore$ and career builder (esp the US he is big in
the UK for Ali G) and would have done if he knew what was really going on there, surely.
Originally posted by TailoredVagabond
reply to post by MischeviousElf
You must have spent alot of that
Spent a lot of what?
(many points to prove [elf]et al)
About what, that is points to prove?
BTW the highlighted and italic text above makes no sense.
Are you insinuating that I have many points to prove to not you singularly but there is a host of others to?
Even in that loosely used way or incorrect way of using the term Et Al it still makes not much sense in the context you frame it in.
and "why not?" - really???
Exactly why not? Do you think that all members who post here are dole bums who have no education or life experience?
Please that is insulting, ATS draws a very very wide mix of contributers, and some may fall into the category you insinuate, but many do not.
You are on dodgy ground there my friend, please think before you post such things.
I've been to the moon in a boat and breathed the air in space...
By you using the oldest debating trick, as first explained and exemplified in Ancient Greece, wag the finger and make fun of the proposer, and
continue to do so until this becomes the nature of the debate remembered, do you seriously think you will get anywhere.
By You making an really obvious outlandish claim, against a factual description by myself, another ancient debate method, do you really think those
who have read my posts in their threads, and such like over the years in ATS will take any notice of your approach.
Surely some may, but a lot of the readers here are above such cheap and well trodded paths, they are sick of it see it in the chamber and house every
day with politicians, and that is why they seek the truth here.
Your untruth does not negate my truth Vagabond!
"why not?" 9as posted by elf "why not"
Exactly why not?
...I'm going back over that post again and again
I bet you are
Pity you never answered as requested to the points and again went on a personal attack.
- you're unbelievable.
That is a personal opinion of yours, it does not make the truth an untruth vagabond.
A blind man saying there is no colours does not mean colours do not exist!
The bulk of the country's economy (and the SINGLE reason for its growth) is, well, clearly an obsession of mine.
Usually people who are obsessed lack "situational" awareness or fail to see the "Big picture", also usually they actually have some facts, lots of
them sourced to bring to bear in discussing their obsession with others?
Please do bring those facts to the debate as I have continually asked.
I don't believe a thing you say about yourslef,
That is your choice, I dont really care to be honest what you think as again it cant in any way affect the truth or facts.
nor has any of your posts about me done anything good for your reputation on here other than add ATS points.
I dont really care about "Reputation" vagabond, you really have no idea of my dissasociation with my ego, and again if you had read many of my posts
on such topics it is plain.
This is a virtual arena I will never ever post my photo or very accurate personally identifiable info on anything to do with ATS, well at least as
MischeviousElf, as some of the political points I have made in the past and will continue to do, and also as for example someone I really care about
is soon to be, in a country that I have outed Dis info agents on the web who used ATS, have put lots of info on their barbaric methods here and
elsewhere, all linkable to my ATS profile...and if a link was made there is the real possibility of them coming to harm or at least hassle by a
So my "Reputation" on here is of no value to me anyhow I dont do such things. The only Value it has is the readers, members, and mods staff who for
years have seen my contributions, their consistency in the message, and my "personality" on here as such. Some may like yourself not like it, but I
know my standing is pretty solid Vaga Bond.
I dont as well do posts "about you", they dont give me "points" by spending time replying to you, I have more than enough anyhow for any of my
I have created an OP, you responded, I broke down your post asking for clarification or commenting on it, trying to get you to add to the debate on
Kazahkstan, you profess great expertise and contact in this area. I genuinely have tried to be patient and get you to contribute with some ON TOPIC
If you can't keep from personal attacks, get off ATS. The sooner the better.
Again you are just saying what I said back to me , though I never told you get off ATS and assumed it would be a good thing, you are just distracting
from the topic and bringing nothing useful to the debate.
So Vagabond considering the last quoted text please stay on topic bring something of your info on this area to the OP, and if you try and reduce the
ATS quality of the boards by similar actions here or to other posters, myself (certainly not in the top quality of some contributers here) or others
again and I notice it I will make complaints about you. And until you now add something worthwhile I will ignore your posts.
BTW you posted your last post twice, whilst still able use the "edit" button and please do add some data, links and your own thoughts on the reasons
behind your conviction that energy is the only driver behind this high strangeness in Kazakhstan.
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