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posted on May, 21 2009 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by LucidDreamer85

Originally posted by zerbot565
most of the weapons of the "new era" came from nazi germany or old cccp

calling it "extraterestial" just made it " politicly correct " for people to work / reverse engienere it ,





What about before that and the sightings going back to ancient Egypt ?

Any answers for that?


Do you have any proof of this i am an Egyptian fanatic and ive never heard of any sightings unless you talking about countless mis interpretations were people don't bother to do even the slightest research and believe all these ufo sighting websites as giving you the facts.

Here ill save you some time before you mention the hieroglyphics in the Temple of Osiris at Abydos.

The glyphs are a result of both erosion of the stone surface (evident elsewhere in the temple) and the process of filling in and re-carving the stone to replace some of the original hieroglyphics. The technical term for such a surface that has been written on more than once is a palimpsest. The usurping and modifying of inscriptions was common in ancient Egypt throughout its history. The Abydos glyph was modified at least once in antiquity, and perhaps twice. Some of the filling has fallen out in places where the older and the newer inscriptions overlap, and the result is unique and odd-looking.

Glyphs

The text is part of the titulary of Ramesses II and can be translated as "The one of the Two Ladies, who suppresses the nine foreign countries." This replaces the royal titulary of Seti I that was originally carved into the stone. More technically, the actual "helicopter" seems to be a portion of the psd.t sign and the X3s.t sign on top of each other, with portions missing. An apparent change in scale also mucks things up.

See this is my point people are willing to believe anything as long as it matches with there beliefs in aliens. Facts point to just us humans here on earth being really smart inventing some technologies that border on the unbelievable just a century ago we don't need aliens.




posted on May, 22 2009 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b

Asking "What if" is what has gotten us from being creatures depending on what we found to survive, to creatures using stone tools, to a race that has succeeded in achieving space travel. It is called the scientific method. Say what if, as in a hypothesis, find a way to test it, and then evaluate the results. So we haven't figured out a way to test if aliens have visited our planet, I would still rather spend time on such speculation than watching the boob tube.


I agree 100%...I just hate it when someone uses their "what ifs" to bridge the wide gap as proof positive that aliens are here.




If you look at how old our galaxy is, and compare that with how long it took us to go from chipping stones to make sharp tools, to landing on the moon, it is easy to see that is a very tiny amount of time in relation to the age of our galaxy. I would say it is very highly probably that other planets succeeded evolving an intelligent species capable of space flight far sooner than us.


Now I need to disagree...

Don't forget it took 6 billion (with a B) to get us started... The factt that once we did get started and we advanced rather fast is just an after effect from when we finally came on the scene.



However, if another planet succeeded in developing intelligent life with capabilities at least equal to our own 50,000 years earlier than life developed here on Earth, than that would put them incredibly further ahead of us in technological development, which means they could have been exploring space for thousands of years before we even learned to harness electricity.


I agree here whole heartily. The problem I have is not whether an intelligent race would advance rapidly or would be extremely advanced with just 100,000 of years ahead of us; it is whether or not they exist at all.

Since another galaxy is around 100 million plus light years away from ours at this point it could be safe to say the distance to another galaxy is insurmountable, and so we should look just at our own galaxy first. Now the question is whether a planet is the proper size and proper location to a sun to produce life is rare or common in our galaxy. I personally see it more on the rare side since when as we add stipulations to anything the numbers get smaller. Next when we say life I agree it is throughout the universe, but to add stipulations once again that number gets smaller and smaller.

So when you say life I say YES, when you say intelligent life I see that earth has produced one such life form in 6 billion years and I say ok some, when you say life that is not only intelligent but physically and mentally able to go into space, and now I’m seeing a very small number, and finally you say all this above plus actively traveling I start to see unique at best.

It’s a numbers game and the numbers are much smaller than most would want to believe.



While we as a species might not be around 50,000 years from now, I think the odds are more than in our favor that we will still be here, and that we will continue to evolve as a species, and our technology will continue to evolve as well. We are at a very critical point in human development. In the last century we have evolved to the point where our technology, not to mention the expanse of our numbers as a species, is threatening all life on Earth. Now is when we need to learn how to take responsibility and become goods stewards of this beautiful vineyard that God has given us. While we are slow to turn in this direction, we are indeed making these changes, and the effort to make these changes to protect our environment is growing and expanding.


You see here is another problem that I see and you hit on it some...

With all good mutations there are million (billions...maybe trillions) of bad mutations that do not survive. Our evolution looks like a straight line looking back, but it was a huge number of mutations in all directions with only our single line surviving.

Honestly though I’m not sure if intelligence is a good or bad mutation, so far it is not looking good, for being the first intelligent specie with our capabilities we are also the first that can actually endanger the whole planet. Also, we are very fragile and it would take a lot less than what it took to wipe the dinosaurs out with their 500 million year run. Just about any number of past worldwide disasters would wipe most of the population and knock us back to the Stone Age, so I would not be so quick to use us as proof for anything other than species can have intelligence and can build.



In addition, I personally believe that it is possible to travel much faster than the speed of light, and that God does play dice, and in fact that our very existence is a roll of the dice.


Well one day we might be able to prove that, but subatomic particles that may be able is a long way from flesh and blood doing the same. So the way I see it is intelligent races that live long enough or even have the physical ability to go into space is extremely unlikely. (we surly are not proof) Add in as we know right now, travelling at the speed of light, that we have no proof of this capability, even in our own galaxy would be a large barrier for life just here to find each other. Finally, when intelligence may actually be a bad mutation that does not survive, I find that we are a most likely a very lonely group of people in our neck of the woods.



[edit on 22-5-2009 by Xtrozero]



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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Off topic for one second...


Originally posted by TeslaandLyne Electrostatics, the AC kind that flows in one direction like radio from antennas and who invented radio and
left it to make wireless power.


Yes it's true that Tesla invented Radio and in that lies the secret of power transmission (just look at microwaves)

But the flow in one direction thing, I disagree... I think Tesla's secret is that it can flow the other way... Our current system uses the power and returns it to the Earth, to ground...

One of the terminals of your house is always 'ground' which is literally grounded to the Earth.

So in effect we are taking the power and putting it into the Earth. If we reverse that we could draw from the Earth...

We can make a thread on that if your interested... Just remember that the awesome power of a lightning bolt starts with the static friction of water molecules, builds up to send a feeler to the Earth, which triggers the massive surge UP from the Earth


Interested?




posted on May, 22 2009 @ 05:09 PM
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Is a radio antenna both ways.
Radio goes out from the antenna, causing a forward oscillation
of carrier frequency and modulated TV and or audio.

Tesla discussed how his one wire AC had a flow in one
direction.

He submerged his coil in oil and the surface was agitated
not oil action on the incompressible oil but the compressible
air is agitated by hi power ac coil right through the oil.

New thread not that necessary, I'll stay with the Tesla analysis.
We have enough radio engineers showing up in a
Tesla group that haven't read from the master of radio
as they were taught by the Illuminati from the Illuminati
science that has rejected Tesla.

I'll just wait to see what will finally be built from the stone
that was rejected.


ED: Earth and planets are conductors or spherical capacitors.
The Earth is not used in any transmission without a globe
on top, see Tesla Tower had hemispherical capacitor on top.
Straight wire antennas are omnidirectional and not as Earth
bound as with the globe on top. With a globe on top of
an antenna there is a Earth to globe electric field oscillation.

The ground wire is something different but on a crystal set
you get better reception with a ground that clears up
reception.

ED+: Beam pattern:
www.kyes.com...


[edit on 5/22/2009 by TeslaandLyne]

[edit on 5/22/2009 by TeslaandLyne]



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 06:30 PM
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The National Security Agency (NSA) is hard at work keeping our secrets out of the hands of our enemies and since they aren't too sure about you and they surely don't trust me, they keep their secretes out of our hands too.But the technology to create anti gravity aircraft has existed and does exist.

Heres an odd report i found

Intercepted radio transmissions add further circumstantial evidence. Radio hobbyists in Southern California have monitored transmissions between Edwards AFB radar control and a high-altitude aircraft using the call sign "Gaspipe." Controllers were directing the Gaspipe aircraft to a runway at Edwards, using advisories similar to those given space shuttle crews during a landing approach. The monitors recorded two advisories, both transmitted from Edwards to Gaspipe: "You're at 67,000, 81 miles out" and "Seventy miles out, 36,000, above glide slope."

Notice the altitude of the craft coming into edwards


Chris Gibson (sometimes incorrectly named in sources as Chris Hudson), 30, was in the Royal Observer Corps aircraft recognition team for 12 years up until 1991. Chris told Jane's Defense Weekly that while working as an oil-drilling engineer in the North Sea in 1989 he saw a strange wedge-shaped aircraft flying between two conventional F-111 fighter-bombers and a KC-135 Stratotanker.

Here is a video i found it cool and on watching it you can see why its amazing if its real



Most of the sightings of Ufo space craft fit into the category of top secret aircraft. If you start looking where sightings occur most times its close to an air force base. This means either aliens are plane buffs and like to watch them take off or there ours. As far as aliens exiting through history this is fabrications to sell books and just plane mis interpretations of historical data to prove there idea no matter how incorrect. I cant understand why someone is willing to believe aliens came to this place over coming major obstacles to do so i might add. And spend there time just flying around,apparently with no purpose other than to allow people to see them. Makes much more sense that the government is doing thousands of flights and occasionally one is spotted.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 06:50 PM
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Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion on the abundance of life in our galaxy, but I disagree.

From what I have read about the discovery of other planets in our galaxy, is that it looks like there are a great many of them. We have only recently developed the technology to detect other planets around other stars, and even then our capability to do this is very limited. Still, from what we have found it looks like planets are abundant in our universe. Once again, apply Oscams Razor, considering how many heavenly bodies are floating around our sun, chances are very likely that almost all stars have planetary systems. It is also very highly probably that every solar system has at least one planet the right distance from the star to support life, and some solar systems, possibly two. The forces that formed our solar system are most likely consistent throughout at least our zone in the galaxy. Did you follow the link on how plasma seems to organize itself similar to organic matter? In other words, it is highly likely that life is abundant throughout the galaxy, or at least the outer rim of the galaxy.

Now, from all observation, the struggle for life for survival is a consistent behavior of all life, and is again, probably consistent through out the galaxy. This means all planets supporting life would also have the evolutionary process that our planet has gone through. The evolutionary advantage of intelligence for survival means that the development of intelligence is most likely another universal.

While we are the only species on Earth that has mastered technology, we are not the only intelligent species, and not the only species who uses tools. So far on the evolution of our species, it is easy to say, that any other species that might have started to develop the capabilities that we were developing, would be considered a threat, and most likely wiped out. It makes perfect sense that one advanced species would develop first. The thing is, by all evidence, another intelligent species will most like evolve to the point of developing their own technology, on our planet, if we allow it to happen. Their is even a reasonable possibility that other intelligent species have already developed on Earth, but keep themselves hidden from us, so as not to interfere in our development as a species.

Being that we went from sailing ships to space flight in a little over a century, if you count the steam engine as the beginning, who know what we can accomplish in a thousand years, or what life on other planets have already accomplished.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 07:04 PM
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There could be many, many reasons why aliens visit Earth. First of all, they could be mining our planet, or another planet in our solar system, for precious metals or other materials which we don't even know to have value. We could be a stop over, between other destinations. We could be a curiosity, and they come here for the same reasons we explore Antarctica. While we still see space travel as a huge obstacle, to an advanced species it could be nothing. Our knowledge of anything beyond our planet is extremely tiny, and the possibilities of space are infinite, so I think it is a bit too soon to be declaring ourselves as alone in the galaxy, or to rule out the possibility that we have had visitors from other planets.



posted on May, 22 2009 @ 07:19 PM
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I also believe that some UFO's are military but I aslo believe that alot of them are ET. I mean where do you think we got our knowledge of this technology from? I'm sure any technology the military has, that is this far advanced has been reversed engineered. That is one reason they want ufo crashes and information about them kept secret so that other countries won't know what kind of of technology we really have. Although most countries have had their own crashes and I'm sure they have reverse engineered also.



posted on May, 23 2009 @ 12:58 AM
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A few things about what the Tesla Tower would end up doing.
It would be powering UFOs.
Tesla said he had loss less transmission and only the power used
would diminish the source power.

Tesla sent a wave and he said it returned going around the earth,
so it went one way and not back and forth like AC.

House current goes back and forth except for the heating of
light bulbs that the meter detects and we pay for.
The meter is a suspected mono polar generator that measures
the power absorbed in the house and may be supplying some
of the power. I don't see the power companies revealing any
secrets.

The world wide power system is what resulted in anti gravity as
the craft would pick up the power transmission and was part
of another Tesla proposal, the Teleforce system.
His government proposal details have never been revealed.

Tesla developed beam technology to be used at any potential
and is apparently configured as a hemispheric terminal.

Imagine as Tesla laid out the plane as floating craft powered and
directed by another tower. Yeah the went down or over their
heads because Tesla was talking anti gravity. He did it, no one
else can claim it. Tesla invented anti gravity.

ED: Get another meter or mono polar motor/ generator and you
might power your house.

[edit on 5/23/2009 by TeslaandLyne]



posted on May, 23 2009 @ 01:07 AM
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I've always thought it was disgusting that our astronauts and missions are being driven by clunky and dangerous technology.. Many good men and women have been lost... and here's the military whisking in and out of space like it's nothing.



posted on May, 23 2009 @ 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by contemplator
I've always thought it was disgusting that our astronauts and missions are being driven by clunky and dangerous technology.. Many good men and women have been lost... and here's the military whisking in and out of space like it's nothing.


I was working in a company that was to bid on the Shuttle.

Since I knew of UFOs from the 50s and always thought that
the Tesla coil may have been the power, I was aghast and the
thought of using rockets. Some how I was not full convinced
of the Moon Missions due to seeing a mock up of the lander.
I don't think we were allowed to go in but it looked small.

So now we have low earth orbit and from the famous
NASA videos of bright objects I can only refer to the Tesla
statement that rarefied air make his one way AC glow brighter.
That would be upper atmosphere taking place of an evacuated
bulb.

ED: You can't think of the way Tesla understood radio and
power transmission and not discover anti gravity. That is
why Tesla's theories are rejected.

[edit on 5/23/2009 by TeslaandLyne]



posted on May, 23 2009 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon
If Aliens were doing the cow thing there would only be one reason I could think of... Alien biology students coming every year to study.



Originally posted by zorgon
Same with abductions... every year a new class.


Perhaps I understand not exactly what you mean here zorgon, but I really am a bit surprised about what you are saying here regarding the cattle mutilation and abduction phenomenon.

Are you willing to explain to me a bit clearer what your personal view about those matters is?

Like whom do you think are really responsible for those mutilations and abductions?



[edit on 23/5/09 by spacevisitor]



posted on May, 23 2009 @ 11:27 PM
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The lacking of news and lawful investigations of cattle mutilation and
abductions are as lacking as any good faith investigation into 911.

In fact the same bunch of above the law Illuminati might be involved
if not in a close organized relation.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b

From what I have read about the discovery of other planets in our galaxy, is that it looks like there are a great many of them. We have only recently developed the technology to detect other planets around other stars, and even then our capability to do this is very limited. Still, from what we have found it looks like planets are abundant in our universe.


Here we go again...ok I agree there are many planets (100s of billions), we have about 200 billion stars, but as of yet we can't determine how many planets. One interesting theory is the Jupiter theory in that you need to huge planet like Jupiter to be the foundation of a solar system as we have. Without that cornerstone you basically end up with more asteroid belts than planets.



Once again, apply Oscams Razor, considering how many heavenly bodies are floating around our sun, chances are very likely that almost all stars have planetary systems.

It is also very highly probably that every solar system has at least one planet the right distance from the star to support life, and some solar systems, possibly two.



Are you applying it in the right direction? It wouldn't take much of a change to the earth's orbit to destroy all life here, also if earth was smaller or less dense we would look more like Mars, if we were bigger than only small simple life could withstand the gravity.

I would think that you can see that earth is under very tight restrictions to maintain the life it has.



The evolutionary advantage of intelligence for survival means that the development of intelligence is most likely another universal.


One unique case in earth's history doesn't suggest intelligence is universal, but only capable since we are here. I do agree that the universal aspects we would see with life on other planets is a hunter and pray environment of meat eaters and plant eaters. Plant eaters do not need any intelligence as we see on earth, and meat eater only need enough to eat the plant eaters.



While we are the only species on Earth that has mastered technology, we are not the only intelligent species, and not the only species who uses tools.


This brings up another very interesting point in that intelligence is not the only trait needed. You need the physical ability to build tools and many other traits, so can you not see that to get to the end product of a space fairing race? When you start to add up a lot of needed requirements the numbers continue to be drastically reduced as to how many space fairing races are out there, and when anyone of those requirements is missing it will prevent that race from going into space. I must say this just supports my views rather well doesn't it?

So we have humans with a hyper intelligence that may or may not be a good evolutionary trait…we will see. We also have thumbs and the ability to move in a dexterous way to use tools, so I don’t see Dolphins entering the space race anytime soon. I think you just assume an intelligent race would also have all these other needed traits too, so please keep that in mind.



Their is even a reasonable possibility that other intelligent species have already developed on Earth, but keep themselves hidden from us, so as not to interfere in our development as a species.


"Reasonable possibility"? Come on my friend Token is not a reasonable possibility. Your statement here is the very foundation as to what I debate against…. My wife is from the Philippines and once when my son was there he caught the flu with vomiting, runs and fever…very nasty. Her family’s reasonable possibility to the cause was the “little people” who lived by the stream. He must have pissed them off and so they cursed him. So of course they got a voodoo type medicine man to do his magic and of course I took my son to the hospital the next day after I paid the medicine man’s cost, and of course he got better…



Being that we went from sailing ships to space flight in a little over a century, if you count the steam engine as the beginning, who know what we can accomplish in a thousand years, or what life on other planets have already accomplished.


Is that really some kind of extreme advancement? To you and me it might seem that way, but is it really? Kind of scary... maybe we are the 258th intelligent race of this planet and intelligence always wipes itself out, so I really do not think we can use ourselves as an example of anything.
The bottom line is here are the huge… extremely huge gaps that you and so many others see as just a step.

Life in the universe is a far far stretch from space fairing races

Planets in the universe is also a far far stretch from an earth type planet

These I cannot over look as you can…I’m sorry…


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posted on May, 24 2009 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by contemplator
I've always thought it was disgusting that our astronauts and missions are being driven by clunky and dangerous technology.. Many good men and women have been lost... and here's the military whisking in and out of space like it's nothing.


So do you think our best and brightest who become astronauts are just a front for the real programs? Unless we are just a food source for some other race I would think we would be either totally isolated from them or completely integrated.

Sometimes when you step back and realize that it would take 100,000s or millions of people to be involved or in the “know” to make this all happen and stepping back you see they are not there then you also need to understand that maybe what you see is what you get, and the rest is just smoke and mirrors of our imagination.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 12:31 AM
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I'm almost sure if the right detection techniques were utilized
we would know more.
However I feel the techniques are from someone that his
theories and knowledge can not be used or divulge the
things like free energy and anti gravity that will be discovered.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 12:42 AM
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Buddy I've seen an elaborate hoax, and the ghoaxers were quite unintelligent.

Hoaxes are just that...debunked...



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
I'm almost sure if the right detection techniques were utilized
we would know more.
However I feel the techniques are from someone that his
theories and knowledge can not be used or divulge the
things like free energy and anti gravity that will be discovered.



I really enjoy Tesla's way of thinking, but I truly think though he discovered a lot, much of what we feel is hidden from us was actually just areas he never quite finished or was never able to accomplish. He worked with electricity in very crude forms, and so I would think today we could reinvent anything he was able to do if it were possible. Remember that only a hand full of genius understood E = mc2 back in the day, so if there was some aspect of his work hidden we would have rediscovered it.


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posted on May, 24 2009 @ 08:30 AM
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I thought this testimony is an interesting read because it fits in this ongoing thread regarding what the OP said here below.


Originally posted by dragonridr
This all makes perfect since if i was the government i had aircraft decades ahead of the other countries they would need to be flown tested and supported meaning they will be seen. Since i cant hide them why not put alot of dis info about aliens out there as your cover story? What do you think?



It is from Don Phillips a witness from The Disclosure Project, who claimed that he worked with Kelly Johnson at the Lockheed Skunkworks — on design and construction of the U-2 and the SR-71 Blackbird.




Mr. Don Phillips, Lockheed Skunkworks, USAF, and CIA Contractor
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Don Phillips was in the Air Force at Las Vegas Air Force Base during an event when UFOs were seen moving at enormous speeds near Mt. Charleston, northwest of Las Vegas. In addition, he worked with Kelly Johnson at the Lockheed Skunkworks — on design and construction of the U-2 and the SR-71 Blackbird. He testifies that we not only have these extraterrestrial devices, but have also achieved tremendous technological advances from their study. He states that in the 1950s and 1960s, NATO did research into the origin of ET races, and disseminated reports to the leaders of various countries. Mr. Phillips further states that there are records and filmed documentation of meetings in California in 1954 between ETs and leaders of the USA. He lists a few of the technologies we were able to develop because of the ETs: computer chips, lasers, night vision, bulletproof vests, and concludes, “Are these ET people hostile? Well, if they were hostile, with their weaponry they could have destroyed us a long time ago — or could have done some damage.” Mr. Phillips now develops technologies that can help eliminate environmental pollutants and reduce the need for fossil fuels: energy generation systems that use natural energies from planet Earth.



He was almost as white as a sheet. He took one step down the steps and he looked at me and he said, did you see those? And, I said, yeah, we’ve been watching them- some of the fellows have been watching them for the last four to five minutes. And, I’ve seen them for a little more than 90 seconds. He says, we saw them on the radar screen and we documented them. He says, they are not bogeys. They are not apparitions. They are real solid objects. And, of course, they would have to be in order to get a fix with radar, the kind of radar we used there, it would have to be a solid object. And, it’s not that we tracked them with the radar- they would go in and out of the signal and register that way. He finally documented that there were six to seven. The speeds that we estimated were also estimated by the radar operators and their scopes.

SG: What did they estimate?
DP: They estimated, around, 3,800 to 4,200 miles per hour equivalent, ground speed. These things are darting across the sky. First they look like a star. And then they move, in any direction or make any kind of a straight line, or just hover. …
These UFOs were huge. And they would just come to a stop and do a 60 degree, 45 degree, 10 degree turn, after stopping. And, then immediately reverse this action. …


I think we are not able to do such things today even with our most modern human made aircraft.


I think a lot of this has been well documented by Colonel Corso. You know, who was there with him? Well, there were a lot of people there with him. But a lot of the things that are said in the book by Colonel Corso, I can verify, corroborated by people that I have worked with and do work with now. So, I can say what I know about it is very true. The pathway that it took, that’s another story. We talk about hidden technologies and why don’t they let people know about it? Well, they hide it from the public. Well, hey, there is probably a good reason for some of it.



www.topsecrettestimony.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...




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posted on May, 24 2009 @ 09:06 AM
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I would have to say that we developed computer chips on our own, and the progression of the technology can easily be traced, and the same is true with lasers, and bullet proof vests.

It does make sense that we would start to detect any type of ET activity after we developed radar and once we started flying advanced aircraft. In addition, our increase in population combined with less open space would also have increased reports, and of course knowledge of reports would have increased false reports.

In addition, is seems likely that if these ET's existed, and they hung around our planet regularly, then at this time they might start to make contact.

The thing is, if our government has been in contact with Extra Terrestrials since the fifties, then why have they been acting with such narrow interests, and such seeming lack of vision over the last thirty years. It makes one wonder if their isn't a purpose behind what seems to be a major concerted effort to suck dry every drop of oil over the last several decades. Then again, maybe the PTB have decided that they don't care if their are ET's, and they aren't about to let it interfere with their pursuit of wealth and power.



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