As usual Jkrog, another outstanding job of pulling together lots of good evidence surrounding a famous UFO case! Star and flag! Great work!
I wasn't sure what this was until I researched the evidence you provided.
As I said in another thread, I give you the benefit of the doubt. I assume you have no sinister motives to hide the truth by providing an incorrect
link to the testimony of Lt Paul I Orner,
Originally posted by jkrog08
Here are some more links to notable witness accounts:
• Statement by Lt. Paul Orner
But in spite of the fact that your link was incorrect I managed to find his statement here:
This object appeared stationary
OK what was that about speeds and direction changes a weather balloon couldn't make? Sounds like a weather balloon would appear. While the balloon is
moving , due to it's high altitude it could appear relatively stationary for short periods of observation, even if it was moving at 100mph or
I was unable to tell if it was an object radiating its own light, or giving off reflected light
again this is very consistent with your
posted photographs of weather balloons on page 6 of this thread.
Through binoculars it partially appeared as a parachute does with bright sun shining on top of the silk but there also seemed to be some red light
around the lower of it
This description is a nearly perfect match for what a skyhook balloon looks like. This is what really convinced me that in
fact, he's giving a description of a balloon, and probably a skyhook balloon!!! So thanks for solving this case for me, or at least letting me know
that there was testimony by Orner which I managed to find despite your link not linking to it.
The reason I'm poking fun at you about the broken link is because part of the story was that air force investigators collected evidence and
determined the investigation was already complete. This infers some type of conspiracy, and I was jokingly trying to similarly point out the
possibility of a conspiracy with your broken link when I'm sure that in fact there's no conspiracy on your part. Likewise, I'm not convinced of any
conspiracy on the part of air force investigators based on the comments provided.
As for the reasons you gave why you think a balloon is not confirmed, let's look at those:
Originally posted by jkrog08
reply to post by kidflash2008
I wouldn't say the case is closed and explained as a Skyhook balloon. I don't know if you read the OP but there is some major contradictions to that
1. The reported fact that Mantell was heard saying "My God, I see people in there". Now was there any people in the Skyhook balloon? No there was
What altitude was he at when he saw people in there (and are we really sure he even really said that?). If it was above 15,000 feet one could say his
brain is not receiving the amount of oxygen it normally does. We also have prima facie evidence that his judgment was impaired in that he didn't turn
back or stop his ascent above 20,000 feet like the other pilots did. Oxygen-starved brains can play tricks.
2. The changing colors, speed, and direction of the craft is not consistent with a balloon of any kind.
the changing colors could be
consistent. You can get both reflection and refraction at different angles causing a variety of colors to appear through prismatic effects. In fact
look at your own post of weather balloon pictures here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
first photo, see the reddish
"light" projecting out the right side? Actually if you look closely at that, you'll see various colors, almost like a prismatic effect of
reflection. So thanks for providing the photographic evidence to show how a balloon CAN show different colors. It's also not hard to imagine that the
colors can change as the angle of the sun with respect to the balloon changes, and the breeze can slightly distort the balloon's shape, etc. See
enlargement below of your photo:
3. The "object" was spotted in Columbia, Tennessee (where I live) BEFORE it was spotted in Nashville which is 50 miles north. That is not
The balloons are at what, 80.000-100,000 feet? How far away can they be spotted? Why is this not possible? An object at that altitude could be spotted
by a more distant observer before a closer observer simply from the fact that the more distant observer could have looked up and seen it first. In
fact to the closer observer it would be more directly overhead so it might be actually harder to spot for that reason than seeing an object not as far
above the horizon.
4. There is no way that Mantell would have confused this object with a balloon, Skyhook was not classified, only the origin and flight path
Then how do you explain the "parachute" statement by Orner?
5. A member of Project Skyhook stated that no balloon could have came from Clinton County, Ohio because they weren't launched from there until
6. Fort Ripley in Minnesota is the only place the balloon could have came from. Yes it is possible that the balloon launched from there the day prior
was responsible for some of the sightings, but it ca not account for numerous other reports such as: 180 MPH speed, changing colors, changing
direction rapidly, and being seen in Columbia, TN BEFORE being seen in Nashville, TN.
How did they measure the 180mph speed? The jet stream can travel that fast. I really don't see any inconsistencies with a balloon in these
observations, but perhaps if you can be more specific about which speed measurement or direction changes proves it's not a balloon, I might be
But the skyhook maps you posted links to (sort of, indirectly) like this one:
clearly show that the balloons could and did change directions. look at one that traveled southwest for a while then made a turn and started heading
south. Those southwesterly headings on that map seem like they could be consistent with the sighting.
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