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The Mantell UFO Incident

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posted on May, 16 2009 @ 04:32 PM
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I'm at work so it took me a couple hours to read it fully, but I enjoyed it!

Thanks for a great post and showing why your a gold contributor!




posted on May, 16 2009 @ 04:36 PM
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Thank you, I am glad you liked it!


So what is your opinion of the case?



posted on May, 16 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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I have read many reports of the MANTELL incident over the years in many books and i have to commend you on an excellent job researching and presenting this,

You even brought some facts of the case to my attention that i had not heard of before, star and flag for you.

The fact mantell was scrambled to intercept this object by trained observers is obvious they as well as mantell would not of mistaken Venus or even a balloon.



posted on May, 16 2009 @ 05:02 PM
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Like an experienced pilot like that is gonna go chase the planet Venus or Balloons.
The idiocy of "Debunkers" and the even greater idiocy of those who swallow their "explanations" is a cause of great anger among the clear-minded. An anger that we use to motivate us to make great OPs like yours



posted on May, 16 2009 @ 05:05 PM
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I have read many reports of the MANTELL incident over the years in many books and i have to commend you on an excellent job researching and presenting this,

You even brought some facts of the case to my attention that i had not heard of before, star and flag for you.

The fact mantell was scrambled to intercept this object by trained observers is obvious they as well as mantell would not of mistaken Venus or even a balloon.





Well thank you very much,(lol, not many debates on here!). That was my intent, as it always is(to bring out unknown information).


Yea the balloon theory is weak, but still plausible. Although research (as seen) does indicate something much more than a balloon.



posted on May, 16 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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Thank you, I agree that to totally believe the USAF is like swallowing a handful of cyanide. It is poisonous to the mind. It is what creates sheeple. You must look at all the facts, not just blindly believe what some "Major in the Air Force" says,lol.



posted on May, 16 2009 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by jkrog08
reply to post by Skyfloating
 


Thank you, I agree that to totally believe the USAF is like swallowing a handful of cyanide. It is poisonous to the mind. It is what creates sheeple. You must look at all the facts, not just blindly believe what some "Major in the Air Force" says,lol.


Thats a big part of the problem.
Major media going to official word.
Things were slightly laxed at the end of WWII and news of Foo
or Phoo were reported but the last 7 days in May 1945 put a clamp
on what went out to the public.

The Patton death has its own reasons tied to UFOs development in
Germany if one wishes to tie in a few world events

There is perhaps nothing more than the unusual Foo as a hint at
sparky things that fly and still do to this very day as any look
at youtube will show. All the other German saucer hype is a trail
to dislodge Tesla from the original design.



posted on May, 16 2009 @ 06:45 PM
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I've got to ask you something: Are you related to Tesla, cause you talk about him A LOT. It is nothing bad, I am just curious.


I agree that there was massive UFO events going on toward the end of WW2 and the few years ensuing. Is this a coincidence? NO, it is not. Although I agree with the Tesla/NAZI/Anti-grav theory you were implying this is not the thread to discuss it so I will not. The military was a lot more open in the late forties and very early fifties. But that all changed after Roswell and the revelation that came with it.



posted on May, 16 2009 @ 06:57 PM
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Well New Mexico is where all the German/Tesla technology
ended up after WWII, actually right back where it started
before WWII.
That is part of the research on Tesla of William R. Lyne who
either relates the words and technology of Tesla in his
understanding or relates the discoveries surrounding Tesla
and world events.

At least 4 years ago I searched the internet on Tesla and found
that if you wanted alternative science that might be hidden from
humanity by the Illumianti, Tesla was the topic, so I'm not related
but research related to many of the topics I enjoin.

And that for all the good work putting up such topics that I
can say something in. Only here on ATS it seems.



posted on May, 16 2009 @ 08:00 PM
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It was definitely swamp gas... not. How did people actually believe that the observer was looking at venus. It isnt even that big in the night sky not to mention you cant see it till well after the sun sets. People are so easy to trick.



posted on May, 16 2009 @ 11:35 PM
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Nice piece of research!
Thanks for all of your time and effort



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:13 AM
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posted on May, 17 2009 @ 12:45 AM
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Very interesting thread, and congrats on the time and effort you put into it, well deserving of a star and flag.



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 01:49 AM
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posted on May, 17 2009 @ 02:26 AM
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Let's hope everyone is not as naive as Kidflash.

It always seems to be a balloon doesn't it? It appears that is always the answer, nothing but a balloon, illusion or delusion.

Incidents happen like this time and time again, someone usually military confinscates evidence, shuts people up, changes the story, presents a nice cover story. 100's of cases out there full of balloons and hallucinations.

This incident is undoubtedly not a weather balloon but many out there want it to be just that a balloon. Whatever makes people sleep better at night. Roswell never happened by the way, the press release was for fun a joke on the public, well they quickly fixed that into a weather balloon. Thought it was a great read and appreciate the thread.



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 02:54 AM
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posted on May, 17 2009 @ 08:27 AM
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Good work here,this case was one of the 1st one I heard of where our contact with UFOs has resulted in a death of a pilot.

I cant realy think of any other pilots who have died apart from Frederick Valentich who went missing in Australia in 1978 while flying.Of course they never found his plane or body like this Mantell case as he was over the sea

Food for thought,I wonder if any other pilots have met the same fate?

thanks for the great post



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by jkrog08
I wouldn't say the case is closed and explained as a Skyhook balloon. I don't know if you read the OP but there is some major contradictions to that story.

1. The reported fact that Mantell was heard saying "My God, I see people in there". Now was there any people in the Skyhook balloon? No there was not.

2. The changing colors, speed, and direction of the craft is not consistent with a balloon of any kind.

3. The "object" was spotted in Columbia, Tennessee (where I live) BEFORE it was spotted in Nashville which is 50 miles north. That is not possible.

4. There is no way that Mantell would have confused this object with a balloon, Skyhook was not classified, only the origin and flight path was.

5. A member of Project Skyhook stated that no balloon could have came from Clinton County, Ohio because they weren't launched from there until 1952.

6. Fort Ripley in Minnesota is the only place the balloon could have came from. Yes it is possible that the balloon launched from there the day prior was responsible for some of the sightings,but it can not account for numerous other reports such as: 180 MPH speed, changing colors, changing direction rapidly, and being seen in Columbia, TN BEFORE being seen in Nashville, TN.


Jkrog never let the facts get in the way of a good old fashioned premeditated debunk





Originally posted by kidflash2008
The Bermuda Triangle case of the test flight aircraft disappearing is a good example. Many sources claim the pilot stated how strange the outside looked. Finally, PBS' Nova found the actual people who were there when the aircraft disappeared and found out no such statements were uttered.


Heres a similar case from the Bermuda triangle where the pilot transmissions were recorded:

Radio transmissions from Flight N3808H:
“Mayday, Mayday, Ercoupe ocho cero, eight zero, zero, Hotel. We can see a strange object in our course, we are lost, Mayday, Mayday.”
An Iberia Airlines flight IB-976 en route from Santo Domingo to Spain responded to the Mayday and received a reply:
“Ah we are going from Santo Domingo to ah San Juan International but we found ah a weird object in our course that made us change course about three different times we got it right in front of us now at one o’clock, our heading is zero seven zero degrees…our altitude one thousand six hundred a zero seven zero degrees…our VORs got lost off frequency…”
Iberia Flight IB-976 then relayed a message from San Juan Center asking N3808H to turn on their transponder.
N3808H replied that the Ercoupe was not equipped with a transponder. At 2006 Iberia IB-976 asked for their call sing and estimated position and received this reply:
“Right now we are supposed to be a about thirty five miles from the coast of Puerto Rico but we have something weird in front of us that make us lose course all the time I changed our course a second (unintelligible) our present heading right now is three hundred we are right again in the same stuff sir.”
They were not heard from again. At 2012 the Atlantic Fleet Weapons Range verified the last radar position of N3808H as thirty five miles west of Puerto Rico. A search that included Santos’s father was then mounted which centered on this last radar position. It was discontinued after two days when no trace had been found. No trace was ever found.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 10:16 AM
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Thanks for bringing that up, I remember hearing about that one but didn't know about the recordings. I wonder what happened to them?

Good job



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 02:15 PM
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Excellent post S&F, it really stands out when someone takes the time and effort to put a thread like this together. To give my opinion I am very confident that an experienced WW2 veteran would know the difference between Venus or a ballon. Plus the comment that there was people inside the craft before he reached the fatal height for his jet shows that this was out of the ordinary. Again we will get the debunkers and the calls of swampy gas, weather ballon or chinese lantern
however this seems like a genuine case of a UFO and the first death caused by chasing one, that we know of.






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