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Conservatism Vs. The GOP, The Paradigm Shift.

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posted on May, 16 2009 @ 09:50 AM
The normal part of any loss to an election is for the party to reorganize and rethink their base. What is fundamentally important to the political party and what values that Americans as a whole stand behind and believe in.

Democrats in the last election swept the country, not on their core value system but the hatred of the Bush administration.

The conservative movement in this country is under fire and under pressure to emerge in the next election stronger and more resilient. Americans can embrace conservative values that are right for them. But the conservative movement must re learn what is important to the American people.

People in this country don't want larger government, they don't want massive debt, they don't want higher taxes. But they voted for these ideals en masse in the last election not because they agree with them but they disagreed with the oppositions views.

The last eight years marked a decided change in conservative values. Ones that the GOP did not heed. It was to their peril that they chose to ignore that base and instead campaigned on a tired party line. They paid the price for their arrogance.

True Conservatives must in order to regain sanity in Washington change the strategy.

I would suggest that conservatives shy away from Rush Limbaugh, shy away from Dick Cheney. and shy away from the Reagan Era. Times have changed, and the conservatives must change with them or be forever marginalized.

Conservative candidates must now change to relate more to core conservative values that the people of this country hold dear now. Not the values that they held dear in the 1980s. The old ways aren't the new ways.

I would suggest to conservatives that want to see sanity return to Washington embrace people like Colin Powell, and Ron Paul. In order to win back sanity into this country again I strongly urge that conservatives tell people like Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney to go crawl into a hole somewhere and stop destroying your political party.

People voted for change in this country. What they are seeing is more of the same with a massive buildup of government and the eventual higher tax price that will go along with it.

It's good to be fiscally responsible and the bailouts have shown America that Democratic liberal values don't agree with them. Massive debt and giant government they don't want. They do want the government however to help them get educated. They want the government to ensure their safety and they want the government to help with health care costs.

They just don't want the bureaucracy that goes along with the democratic plan for this help. They certainly don't want to pay through the nose for it either.

America is also War Weary. We are tired of sending our sons and daughters overseas to fight a war no one cares about. Defend the homeland. Do it here. We as a society don't care about Afghanistan. We don't care about Iraq. We want to be safe here.

It is also apparent to me that Americans are vehemently against gun control which is apparent in the massive increase in gun sales across the country. As they say "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."

Conservatives must in order to bring this country back from the brink of insanity must shed off the blatant fascism that has plagued the GOP in the last few decades. Democrats are constantly and rightly blamed for steering this country to socialism. But the pendulum must not swing to fascism either. The last 8 years we can all attest to a large swing towards fascist ideology from the GOP. This is not conservatism this is not the American way.

Balance and freedom is what the Conservative movement should strive for. Freedom not only for big business but also freedom for the citizenry. The recent Tea Parties showed that Americans believe in a core ideal that freedom means not only the freedom to succeed but the freedom to fail as well.

[edit on 5/16/2009 by whatukno]

posted on May, 16 2009 @ 06:44 PM
Star and Flag, O bronze one.

The GOP only pays lip service to the conservative and religious right.
Both parties are controlled by the Corporate Oligarchy and nothing is going to change. The GOP will never tell their frontmen and women like
Coulter and Rush to back off; they like the emotional rush to much.
Sorry for the corny reference.

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 07:56 AM
reply to post by whaaa

Is lip service all that the GOP can offer?

What about real solutions? Does the GOP have any game left? Do they have no autonomy left in them or are they just pandering to old men in suits?

The core values of Conservatism are honorable and good. But without strong leadership, and a willingness to be inclusive to more different types of people and less inclusive to people like Coulter and Limbaugh, they won't as a party survive.

The appointment of Steele in my opinion was simply a token gesture. Steele has no real authority or sway within the GOP nor does he have the respect of the Conservative base. It was a sad and pathetic attempt to cash in on obamamania by trying faultily to put a black man in power of a party that is seen more as a old white mans league.

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 08:44 AM
You have some good an individual who considers himself an Independent, though most would consider a Liberal...and depending on the subject, a socialist, though I disagree with any particular party affiliation...I agree with a good amount of what you say...but say this.

Conservatives are called Conservatives for a reason, they adhere to what they view as a tradition...though at this point and time, I for one, am not sure what that tradition is, aside from a couple of cheap sound bites(rightly so, the same can often be said for the Democrats.) The idea of a "listening tour" has been thrown out there, by multiple moderate Republicans, and has been denigrated and attacked by those who seem to have a disproportionate amount of power in the party...

Unfortunately, Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh and all of the other frothing-mouth pundits are the one's behind the steering wheel of the GOP at the moment; and they are calling forth a political "scorched Earth" policy that is only alienating the moderates of the party...and in doing so, alienating the party from the political process an attempt to...I don't even know what their goal is...I'm reading an interesting book at the moment called "The Eliminiationists" which goes into a journalistic analysis of how what used to be Right-wing fringe ideology has become far more contemporary and accepted as standard fare.

I have to say, though, and this will sound like a major me it seems like this realigning of the Republican party is just an excuse; it is a method to disassociate from a failed administration and all of its failed policies, and the policies that came from it before. For the past 30+ years, the Republicans have put out an image, they have pursued certain policies that, as it turns out, Americans don't approve, now its time to rebrand, to put a new face on the Republican that they can say "all those policies, those things you didn't like, the war, the torture, the massive spending, clamping down on civil liberties...the "War on Terror" Era...that wasn't us...we're us, that was someone else...Bush, he was never really a Conservative, yeah, while he was in office and we controlled congress, we rubber stamped everything he wanted...but, he wasn't really one of us...we're us, and we adhere to traditional values..." Its pearls on swine, at the very best.

Anyway, I'm not going to go on and on about that...but I will say, what we NEED is a reformation of our electoral system that would allow for more diversity in politics...a change to the system to get us away from 2-party politics and to something more representative...something where there is a viable 3rd party...hell, a viable 4th, 5th and 6th party as well....because the reality matter how any party, Left or Right" "realigns" itself, or how they modernize their core principles, or long as we remain in a two party system, its still going to be the same people, with the same views, puling the same strings...just a different mask...

BUT, to remove the mask and have many parties that actually represent what their actual values we could have the Conservatives AND the GOP AND the NeoCons AND the Moderates AND the Independents AND Centrists AND Democrats AND Liberals(while we're at it, its not just the Republicans who have multiple conflictions within their party...)...AND to say to them.."now work together...compromise..." Wouldn't that be something...

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 09:00 AM
reply to post by whatukno

I'm a RINO I guess. I can't see myself ever supporting the GOP ever again except in state and local races. And the reason being; the republicans I am friends with tend to be control freaks and paint the world in black and white. With White the predominant color. Here in NM as state at least 50% Hispanic; the GOP is pretty much older white men and their wives. I am fortunate enough to attend a lot of GOP social functions thru different musical groups I play with and being fairly well socially connected and said functions have an air of rigidity and constipation.

The GOP could be a powerful political force once again if they could adopt the Goldwater feel and excitement and platform. At least they should
project a cohesive plan of action and not have the primary focus of just
running AGAINST the liberals.

The mayor of my village lives across and down the road from me, a democrat and he pointed out to me that the GOP local candidates won't even label themselves as being in the Republican party. Still ashamed of being associated with the neo-cons. Heavy, heavy Karmic debts to pay for a long time I'm afraid. On the boards here, notice the "Hate Obama"
threads as prevalent as the "hate Bush" threads used to be. I offered to be a consultant with my states party but they weren't quite ready for the progressive ideas I outlined in my mission statement. I would probably change parties except I need the money from playing music at the GOP socials. Free enterprise at it's finest.

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 09:01 AM
reply to post by madhatr137

Of course, I have often said that the two party system in this country is an absolute fraud. It is not representative of the people and it is rife with abuse. A multi party system where those that the people really want elected are able to be elected would help alleviate much of the corruption in Washington.

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 11:37 AM
If the Republican party is to make itself electable again, it has to stop pandering to the religious and ultraconservative fringe and move towards the centre. Not too far towards the centre - I think Americans are rather conservative generally - but a lot farther than it is today. This is a view from abroad, incidentally; take it for what it's worth.

I understand that most of the posters on this thread (this kind of thread) won't take my point very well, but what's the use of having a party that represents your views just as you would like them to be, yet can't get elected?

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