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Originally posted by orangetom1999
I have great difficulty with this concept of a loving god. I do not have difficulty with the concept and understanding of a Sovereign God.
The essence of God is that He is Sovereign..and not subject. Ironically this understanding is missing from even many Believers.
When I hear the concept promoted by Believers and even Unbelievers of a Loving God..it comes across as " we deserve the benifits of a loving God. If we dont get it ..it must be God's fault ..not ours. We want a subject god...with us as sovereigns..not god. Our god answers to us ..not the other way around..because we deserve..because we are good people. And we all know good people deserve good things...always. Right??
If we dont get good things...why its god's fault ..not ours!! Everyone knows this.
Originally posted by orangetom1999As to the terrible world concept...I think of the world recorded in the writings of men before the Christian Era...how much love, love, love there was to be found everywhere. You folks reading this know of what I speak...right??? There was Love, Love, Love..everywhere you turned back then. Therefore the world needs to be returned back to this era which was so great ...before the Christian Era...the world era of love, love, love.
Some folks would call this return back to the pre Christian Era by the term
"The Restoration of the True Brotherhood"
Christianity has never been a major religion..ever. Christians like the Ancient Israelites have been a minority surrounded by wildlife who do not like them. There is nothing new here. This pattern is both true and ancient.
Hmmmm..not quite correct here. The Romans did not get along with the Hebrews/Jews ..even before the Christian Era. The Romans were having problems with the Jews from the begining of their taking over Palestine under the Olde Testament. It is ironic that the Romans had problems with the Hebrews/Jews and then later ..problems with the Christians. Yet what is also not often mentioned, even by Christians, is that the Hebrews/Jews also had problems with the Christians.
If you were a Roman or in the Roman Government..a soldier etc...one of the worst places to get assigned for duty ..was Palestine. Palestine was one of the armpits of the Roman Empire. This is not widely known..even by Christians today.
Since its clear that none of these religions has evolved in a vacuum, one can easily pick out the links to previous religions, and therefore it seems that all of religious history is simply a copy-cat version of prehistorical beliefs, with slight adjustments made throughout time, depending on the will of one person, and probably to enhance their own personal power
This is apologist dogma..standard issue. It is also gnostic, sophist, wise man rationale.
This line of thinking and rationale can be found carried to its logical conclusion and called by names such as "Prisca Theologia" or Hermetic doctrine.
Identifying the things all religions have in common...therefore all religions are the same religion. All gods are the same god. etc etc et al.
On human ignorance, this seems to be the major reason for organised religion. Organised religion is about control, clearly, and has always closely followed social trends.
I have problems with statements like this quote above..simply because I notice how smart we are becoming across the board today in --- cut---
Are any of you out there thinking yet??
Originally posted by undo
reply to post by The Last Man on Earth
one problem is, some scholars make the mistake of including akkad and early babylon into their definition of sumer. that would be incorrect. and the cuneiform cylinder seals from sumer, were dug out of eight foot of flood silt. it's the black sea flood. now you're arguing against what has already been proven, scientifically, as well.
i don't get that particular mindset.
When excavating the site of Ur in 1926-29, Sir Leonard Woolley found an eight-foot band of "perfectly clean clay" (21) probably laid down by a massive flood around 3500 BC. Woolley estimated that the flood may have affected an area of the lower Tigris and Euphrates river valleys "perhaps 400 miles long and 100 miles across" (24). The flood was by no means universal, but such a deluge could have given rise to the tradition of a flood which happened in the dim beginnings of time.
Originally posted by Welfhard
Originally posted by texastig
The French philosopher Voltaire, a skeptic who destroyed the faith of many people, boasted that within 100 years of his death, the Bible would disappear from the face of the earth.
Voltaire's only mistake was to underestimate human stupidity.
The atheist is not making any positive claims -- the theist is. Therefore, by rule of logic, the burden of proof is on you. It is impossible to prove any nonexistence claim. Atheist aren't saying there is no god period....in reality what they are saying is I have no proof of a god, therefore there isn't one. If theists provided real proof/evidence other then just faith, you'd have a hell of a recruiting tool and there would be no atheists.
As can I relate as well. Very valid point. My opinion is that we should start looking inward for answers and guidance instead of looking to what others say is right. I think God is smart enough to equip us with all we need.Cheers!
'HOLY BIBLE' = 'HELIOS BIBLIO'
.... 'Sun Book'...
the bible is a series of allegories on astrotheology and sun worship..
let's see this book for what it is and move on..
the universe is getting impatient, in case we haven't noticed..