9/10 Deaths Are Individuals > Age 65: Contrasting The Seasonal and Swine

This thread is intended to track the ages and other relevant demographics of H1N1 victims (those of serious cases we become aware of, and sadly, the deaths) to shed light on the contrast between seasonal vs. swine... as I disappointedly believe many of the masses are ignoring the potential.

A STANDOUT that we are seeing with the H1N1, despite skewed numbers, media suppression, etc. is that the deaths involved with H1N1 continue to follow a different pattern than those associated with the run-of-the-mill seasonal flu.

I was a little skeptical of some threads on this forum that are doubting direct causes on the H1N1 death certificates because they implied that it was not normal to list a cause of death as: "underlying cause," "respiratory failure," etc.
Apparently, this listing of cause of death also happens with regular, seasonal influenza

Yet, as stressed above, and with the lack of data we have to go with, this H1N1 seems to be attacking (and killing, esp. in Mexico)

Well those first 3 categories look like a great way for population control. It also leaves an 'army' of 20-30 something single men available. I wonder what they would be good for?!

Yeah, you're right...kill off those who reproduce, or who will reproduce.

Too bad Mexico didn't keep track of demographic data...well who can expect that, they even recanted their initial numbers

OOPS, they did...before they got blacked out:

Edit to Add Mexico data--

Mexico's federal Health Department said Friday that about a quarter of those who died there were obsese or suffered from diabetes, while 11 percent had cardiovascular problems and 9 percent smoked.

It listed no complicating factors for most of Mexico's first 45 deaths, however, and none of them were reported to have respiratory ailments or other infectious diseases.

news.yahoo.com...

Edit to Add Mexico data

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reply to post by getreadyalready


Sadly, one more H1N1 case...this time a 33 yr old man from Texas:

Texas reports state's 3rd death from swine flu

May 15 12:22 PM US/Eastern

CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas (AP) - Texas health officials say a 33-year-old Corpus Christi man died earlier this month of swine flu.
Corpus Christi-Nueces County Health District's Dr. William Burgin Jr. said Friday that the man died May 5 or May 6 after becoming sick a few days earlier. He says the man preexisting medical conditions, including heart problems, that made it more difficult for him to survive any viral illness.
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Burgin says county health officials received confirmation Friday morning that the man had died of swine flu.

>>>So, even with fatalities, we're looking at over a week in delay of reporting again

The Costa Rican man who died was only 53:

SAN JOSE, Costa Rica – Costa Rica reported the death of a 53-year-old patient with swine flu on Saturday, the first death from the epidemic outside of a North American nation, while Japanese authorities scrambled to limit contacts with their first confirmed cases of the disease.

news.yahoo.com...

I feel like I'm talking to myself, but here are some updates on deaths/hospitalizations of H1N1 world-wide for those interested or maybe this content synthesis can be useful at a later date:

Canada's confirmed A/H1N1 flu cases rise to 496
+ - 13:18, May 16, 2009
The total of confirmed A/H1N1 flu cases in Canada rose to 496 Friday, with 47 new cases added during the day, according to the latest figures from the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC).

As of May 15, 2009, half the cases are 24 years of age or younger with the median age at 21 years. The youngest is one year old and the oldest at 86 years old.

To date, 13 cases have been hospitalized and one death has been reported, the PHAC said in an analysis.

A/H1N1 flu death toll, infected cases rise in Mexico
+ - 10:23, May 16, 2009

Mexican health authorities said on Friday that the death toll for the A/H1N1 flu has risen to 66 and the infected people to 2,895 in Mexico.

Those patients who contracted the deadly flu virus and died is under 20 years old, most of them housewives, and most of the cases were in Mexico City and State of Mexico.

Malaysia confirms firs case of influenza A/H1N1
+ - 16:37, May 15, 2009

the young man was hospitalized on Thursday for fever, sore throat and body aches.

Tests confirmed that he was infected with the A/H1N1 virus and is receiving anti-viral treatment, but in stable condition, Ismail said.[/ ex]

In Thailand, a hospital in the country's northern province of Chiang Mai has quarantined a nine-year-old boy, who has a high fever after returning from Japan, while sending his sample to test for the A/H1N1 flu, Chiang Mai Public Health Director Dr. Wattana Kanchanakamol said Friday.

The boy has been quarantined since May 13, The Nation newspaper's website reported. He traveled to Japan with his mother and brother.

All of them had fever after returning from Japan and earlier were closely watched for seven days, however his mother and brother recovered and were allowed to return home, Dr. Wattana said.

Separately, director of San Sai Hospital in San Sai district of Chiang Mai, Worawut Phowatcharakul said a woman, who has been quarantined in the hospital, is suffering higher fever.

No one, even her family members, is allowed to visit her, the doctor said, and refused to reveal her name.

Above from English People's Daily Online - web.

Common theme still seems to be that deaths/hospitalizations/cases are mostly all among the youngest of the populations (in/contrast to seasonal influenza)...of course this could change if the virus continues to spread

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reply to post by sonjah1



The reason (way) H1N1 swine flu and H5N1 bird flu kill younger people is because of what's called a "cytokine storm."

Cytokines are part of the immune system - the body's defense. Young healthy people have healthy immune systems, so when they get these types of flu, their immune systems seem to go into overdrive.

Interestingly, cytokine storms seem to be the same mechanism that occurs in hemorraghic (sp?) fevers. ...Looks like something exchanged genetic information somewhere back.

reply to post by soficrow


Yes, I've heard about the "cytokine storm," and also the pulmonary edema (fluid in the lungs)? particulary associated with these viruses vs. "seasonal" influenza.

Thoughts on why these conditions are not appearing MSM now?

Thanks for your input!

More sad news w/ H1N1 case turned into fatality.

I bolded demographic and relevant info. from external source:

Hospital: Death of New York school official linked to flu virus
Posted: 10:16 PM ET
NEW YORK (CNN) — An assistant principal of a New York middle school who was hospitalized with the H1N1 virus, commonly known as swine flu, died Sunday from flu complications, hospital and state officials said.

“It is with great sadness tonight that we learn that New York has lost one of its residents to an illness related to H1N1,” New York Gov. David Paterson said.

Mitchell Weiner, 55, assistant principal at Intermediate School 238 in Queens, died at 6:17 p.m. Sunday, said Andrew Rubin, a spokesman at Flushing Hospital. “We believe he had complications of the swine flu,” Rubin told CNN Radio, adding that once Weiner was admitted to the hospital, he was listed in critical condition. However, he wouldn’t say whether Rubin had any preexisting medical conditions.

Last week, when city and state officials announced that four students were infected and a school official in Queens was “critically ill” with the virus, Mayor Michael Bloomberg did not name the official but described the staffer as an assistant principal who “may have had other health problems.”

cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com...

> For those familiar with the situation, Mr. Weiner's family had previously stated that they were only aware of a medical condition of gout.

Also, this is another victim of H1N1 who is less than 65 years of age.

Interesting that authorities, MSM, etc. are not commenting on pre-existing medical conditions

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