[HOAX] "I will ask the General Assemly ... to Strip Israel of its Membership"

Originally posted by audas

Please - I have a Masters in International Relations, have several undergraduate degrees and am continuing with PHD in negotiations - don't even consider telling me I am right or wrong - you are talking pure fabrications.

The modern state as a concept was not established until - at the very earliest - the treaty of the Peace of Westphalia - 1648 - to consider it before then displays a profound lack of the very basics of international realism, or the historical record - to lay claim to the modern state of Israel through biblical lineage is the most disingenuous thing I have seen any one attempt to claim.

Palestine was a protectorate of the united kingdom, THE BRITISH MANDATE OF PALESTINE - it was a country and recognized - for this not to have been the case would mean every person earth was stark raving mad EXCEPT YOU - which is clearly NOT the case - hence I think we can all assume who has no idea what so ever or - has a very clear agenda in which case should be removed from posting on this site as it is PURELY TROLLING and nothing else.

Sorry, you neither quoted nor have I seen here any claim of right through biblical lineage.

If it was mentioned, I'm assuming it was the type of historical note as in reference to ancient Egypt, Persia, Assyria etc.

I'm not sure if your quantifying in this case of the British Mandate as an autonomous country is universally accepted. Maybe.

I might add for someone with a PHD in negotiations - calling upon your credentials, name calling, accusations, and threats are not exactly high diplomacy.

On this site, half the contributors are a self-declared expert.

I find the ones who don't claim to know everything are the best sources of information.


Mike

This topic is listed under hoaxes & with good reason,The U.N. IS a hoax & a farce,they're the most socialist,bigoted,backward,usless,inept,incompetent,unreliable,antisemetic,antichristian,anti-american,bumbling,bungling,braindead,vile,evil,satanic,c orrupt & downright criminal organization on earth,and that's the best that can be said about them.America should pull out,kick them out of our country,stop paying their bills.They're not a friend of America's or Israel's,hence those member nations that aren't our freinds are our enemies & should treated as such,both economically & militarly,with extreme prejudice if necessary. Have a GREAT day!

What I find amazing (but entertaining so please don't stop) is the fact that anyone can still believe that after years of being exposed to pictures of dead Palestinian children that anyone is going to buy into the old 'Israel is the victim' nonsense.
Are you really so out of touch with contemporary views that you think this line of propaganda actually serves any purpose? Do not get yourself too excited that some people may come out and demonstrate in favor of your claims. When preaching to the choir one should of course expect the occasional hallelujah, but the bulk of the world sees it as laughable. Why do you think the most of the people of Europe voted Israel the greatest threat to world peace today? Because they thought you were a victim?
Give it a rest. Your attempts at world recognition as the ultimate victim only bore most people today. You will never stop disgusting the rest of civilized society until you stop your disgusting behavior which includes this eternal whining.
You behave like a schoolyard bully which is not very pleasing to most, but when the bully starts whining and crying like a little bitch that is when most people feel the bile start to rise in their throat and the beginnings of a personal dislike for the little creep.
If you want to play macho bully fine, but at least grow a pair and stop acting like a little girl when you're called out on it.
So do you want "My my, what a big macho boy mommy's boy is" or
"Oh, mommy's poor poor little boy. Did the mean kids call you names?"
Grow up

Originally posted by bootsnspurs33
reply to post by mmiichael

 

Quick,as fast as you can-GET YOUR MONEY BACK THAT YOU SPENT ON THAT HALF INFORMED EDUCATION OF YOURS. Your comments are dishonest at the very least + you're assuming people on this site dont research or have a background in history that isn't as biased or incomplete as yours.

Hey man - confusion.

Wasn't me that rolled out my academic degree catalogue.

You read in my post a quote from a self-proclaimed expert using the name "audas". Take it up with him.

Bring your cap and gown.



Mike


[edit on 16-5-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by masonwatcher

United Nations General Assembly,

New York, NY 11 May 2009

Mr. President Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen:

With each passing year, we come closer to our past. Every year brings with it momentous anniversaries of events that shaped our world. For example, we have recently marked the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II and of the United Nations itself. These two events, inextricably linked, form the basis of what we have come to know as the modern era, the post-war era.

For me, as Secretary–General, looking back on where the UN started and where it is now has a special importance, for I am now charged with guiding the world body through unknown and uncertain territory. “Terrorism” has long since replaced “arms control” and “détente” as the focus of international security, yet the term defies definition.

One country’s terrorist is another country’s revolutionary hero. Some insist that terrorists are opposed to democracy, but we have all seen democracies behave like terrorists. In many ways, the world today does not seem to be very removed from the barbarity of world war.

... Few people know that Israel is the only state to be given a conditional admission. Under General Assembly Resolution 273, Israel was admitted on the condition that it grant all Palestinians the right to return to their homes and receive compensation for lost or damaged property, according to General Assembly Resolution 194 paragraph 11. Suffice to say, Israel has never lived up to these terms, and never intended to.

www.globalresearch.ca...

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Why are they there in the First place, they don't abide by any resolution
now. So by NOT being a member, the UN could not do anything to intervene, and would not be bound to abide by any decision what-so-ever.
It's pretty much how it is now, except they don't have to lie by saying they
will do it.

Doesn't work, I'm afraid. Iran and Syria would be kicked out of the UN for threatening another UN member (Israel), which is contrary to the UN charter. Russia would be kicked out for invading Georgia last year, and the US and UK for invading Iraq...

I'm sure you're academic background is beyond reproach, although I have to agree with someone else who posted and point out that, for someone with a masters in International Relations and is doing a Phd in negotiations, you seem to have a tendency to use very undiplomatic language to express your views.

I did not claim the modern State of Israel through a historical lineage, let alone a biblical one. I merely pointed out that the modern State of Israel now encompasses much of the land that used to make up the "definitely-not-a-State" of Judea. Also, if you'd bothered to read, I referred to Judea as a nation, not a State, which it was. You're not very observant for someone with mulitple degrees and a masters...That or you were taught straw man argument techniques wherever you were educated.

In fact, sorry, I will have to question your academic credentials if you refer to a mandate as "a country and recognized". A mandate is a temporary, quasi-territorial term, that in no way implies nationhood on its subject. The British were planning to hand the mandate over to Trans-Jordan. That would be a funny thing to do with a "recognised country".

The more I think about it, actually, the more I'm sure you aren't an academic, unless you got your degrees from the University of Mogadishu. You failed to read my post properly, you misunderstood what a mandate is, and you essentially lied in your post. Tut tut tut

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[edit on 16-5-2009 by RivenNight]

That's just ignorant. Anyone who wants me to expand on that, let me know.

reply to post by poedxsoldiervet


If Israel couldn't care less about the UN, then why are they a member?

Originally posted by Lazyninja
reply to post by poedxsoldiervet

 

If Israel couldn't care less about the UN, then why are they a member?

Because by being a member those nasty, evil Jews can manipulate the entire world by...ummm...passing hundreds of resolutions criticising Israel? And it also allows Israel to influence bodies like the UNHRC which would otherwise focus its entire attention on Israeli "human rights abuses", and ignore Sudan, Iran, China, Russia...Wait, doesn't the UNHRC already do that?

Hold on a minute, why do people say Jews control the world, anyway?

Originally posted by masonwatcher

United Nations General Assembly,

New York, NY 11 May 2009

Mr. President Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen:

With each passing year, we come closer to our past. Every year brings with it momentous anniversaries of events that shaped our world. For example, we have recently marked the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II and of the United Nations itself. These two events, inextricably linked, form the basis of what we have come to know as the modern era, the post-war era.

For me, as Secretary–General, looking back on where the UN started and where it is now has a special importance, for I am now charged with guiding the world body through unknown and uncertain territory. “Terrorism” has long since replaced “arms control” and “détente” as the focus of international security, yet the term defies definition.

One country’s terrorist is another country’s revolutionary hero. Some insist that terrorists are opposed to democracy, but we have all seen democracies behave like terrorists. In many ways, the world today does not seem to be very removed from the barbarity of world war.

... Few people know that Israel is the only state to be given a conditional admission. Under General Assembly Resolution 273, Israel was admitted on the condition that it grant all Palestinians the right to return to their homes and receive compensation for lost or damaged property, according to General Assembly Resolution 194 paragraph 11. Suffice to say, Israel has never lived up to these terms, and never intended to.

www.globalresearch.ca...

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Too bad it is not true, otherwise we could seize this opportunity for kicking UNO out of the States for good and relocate them to a more appropriate place, such as Teheran or Havana.
And no, we could not put their place to a more appropriate use, such a sperm bank: for doing so, you need a clean place, and the UNO is so polluted, corrupted, contaminated that you would have to work for years for making their building suitable even for growing and feeding pigs.
Mario


[edit on 16-5-2009 by Mario78]

reply to post by Mario78


Yeah. Too bad it isn't true. People successfully boycotted apartheid South Africa, fought nazi Germany yet the world is stuck with zionists.

I certainly hope you have a problem with the UN on patriotic grounds and not masquerading pro Israeli tendencies as somehow being part of independent minded Americanism.

reply to post by masonwatcher


If you strip Israel of its membership, please understand that it was the last thing that kept their GBU-laden Falcons on the ground...they'll head towards Tehran as soon as they have no ties to the international community.

I repeat my last inquiry.

Why this hoax? What was it's source, and how did it come to be propagated in the manner it was?

Hasn't anyone noticed these are popping up more and more frequently?

Is there some kind of impending 'crisis' coming? Is there a solution 'pending?'

It WAS posted. THEN removed. - was it bait, if so for whom?

Did someone think this would be a good HOAX? Gave people material? For what?

Careful.

It's a shame that people are so satisfied having proven their point, but don't explore exactly how this got here... And we see how the observations put forth yielded explicitly measurable results. Or am I the only one who sees this?

Originally posted by Maxmars


Why this hoax? What was it's source, and how did it come to be propagated in the manner it was?

Hasn't anyone noticed these are popping up more and more frequently?

Is there some kind of impending 'crisis' coming? Is there a solution 'pending?'

It WAS posted. THEN removed. - was it bait, if so for whom?

Did someone think this would be a good HOAX? Gave people material? For what?

Good questions.

What has happened is that hackers are more skilled at cutting into legitimate sites and a new game has been created for them.

It might be described as an information virus.

People, probably quite young, get a kick on seeing how much anxiety they can create, how far it goes, and how high up the chain of command the disinformation will go.

Getting the press or TV to deny a fake story they initiated is a likely goal.

Once the stories are out, the retractions and dismissals will carry less weight than the original.


Mike



[edit on 16-5-2009 by mmiichael]

Email sent by me to the directer at Global Research.

I was wondering what happened to the story regarding the UN secretary general asking for
Israels membership to be revoked?

It was formerly an this link
www.globalresearch.ca...

However it is now removed.

The concern that we have is that this story is being scrubbed nearly as fast as it is posted.
As a watchdog of internet censorship and controlled media we would appreciate your explanation.

Thank You

The reply

we checked the UN website to check on the original version, Ban Ki Moon did not make that speech, With best wishes and greetings,

cordially, Michel

Prof. Michel Chossudovsky
Director/ Directeur

Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG)
Centre de recherche sur la mondialisation (CRM)
Montreal, Qc. CANADA

Here is a link to what Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has to say about the Israel Palestinian situation.

www.un.org...

In a related development, Mr. Ban today called for Israel and the Palestinians to return to the negotiating table, as he pledged his sustained commitment to helping achieve a negotiated political settlement of their long-running conflict.

“Israeli-Palestinian negotiations must be resumed on all core issues without exception,” he said in a message to the UN International Meeting in Support of Israeli-Palestinian Peace, held in Nicosia under the auspices of the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People.

In the message, delivered by Special Representative in Cyprus Tayé-Brook Zerihoun, Mr. Ban stated that the parameters for peace remain unchanged: the establishment of two States living side by side in peace and security on the basis of the principle of land for peace and a just and comprehensive regional peace consistent with Security Council resolutions.

The world will be a better place when we get rid of people who call for the annihilation of nations like Israel. The people who continue to support the murder of innocents through terrorism in support of their political goals are the real problems on this planet.

reply to post by masonwatcher


My beloved Masonwathcher,
let me answer as clearly as I can your more than legitimate question, but please let me first of all say that, IMHO, trying to compare the war against one of the bloodiest dictator of last century and the fight against apartheid with the fight against Israel’ very legitimate rights to self-defense against terrorists who indiscriminately murder Muslim, Jewish and Christian children and women is turning things on their heads ; Israel is the only free County in the middle-east, fighting for its very survival against a rising tide of neo-Nazi-fundamentalists.
Now, you ask what kind of issues I have against the UNO?
It is SO easy to answer:
-between Operation Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom UNO run the infamous “Oil for bribes” operation which guaranteed lofty gains to Saddam and his cronies in Iraq and elsewhere, without any benefit for the Iraqi populace
- In 2003, according to many reliable sources, Saddam Hussein was ready to give up and fly just before Operation Iraqi Freedom started, but he was convinced to stay watching the UNO Security Council’s incapacity to reach agreement on the need to oust him
-UNO organized and sponsored the infamous Durban 1 and Durban 2 conferences, during which the most hateful Nazi propaganda, such as the “Protocols of the Sages of Zion” was freely distributed and Hitler was openly mentioned as the one who knew how to deal with the Hebrews
-The members of the UN Human Right Council include champions of religious and civil freedom such as China, Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Cuba
-The President of the United Nations General Assembly is the egregious Miguel d’Escoto, former foreign minister in the Sandinista junta from 1979 to 1990, who received the Lenin Peace Prize, who refers to Ronald Reagan as "a butcher". D'Escoto "hugged" Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad after Ahmedinedjad's September 2008 speech to the UN assembly during which Ahmadinejad openly called for the destruction of Israel and the genocide and forced deportation of its citizens; d’Escoto, called for the world to support the international campaign of “boycott” against Israel ( very reminiscent of Hitler’s policy against the Jews )and he heartily supports Hamas terrorists in Gaza, calling the surgical military operations against them “genocide."
I could go on, but I hope it is not necessary
Mario


[edit on 16-5-2009 by Mario78]

Originally posted by Maxmars
It's a shame that people are so satisfied having proven their point, but don't explore exactly how this got here... And we see how the observations put forth yielded explicitly measurable results. Or am I the only one who sees this?

No, you are not alone in being interested in the means and methods of the propagation of such hoaxes.

I think that occurrences such as this can yield quite useful data, with regard to motives, perceptions, and expressional transformation. Consider what points are 'highlighted', and the secondary reaction. When propaganda yields a reaction, and the context reacts in a variety of predictable ways, the emerging dynamic of interaction among those viewpoints can act to incite or suppress.

This is obvious a very useful tool, to trace in effect and learn in practice. The art of Propaganda.

You are correct; it is a valuable paradigm to consider such instances as possible "tracers", like the radioactive substances that are injected into a patient's bloodstream to search for subtle blood vessel connections and circulatory problems. Much can be so learned, when one avoids getting hung up on the specific topic.

The hoax of a hoax can be more educational than the hoax itself. In some ways, these 'hoax' threads are the crown jewels of ATS "denying ignorance".