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Originally posted by habfan1968
I disagree with the opting out of a few(if any) of the Allies. Most won't forget the past and many are(feel as though they are) protected by the US. I believe if push comes to shove the Allies will fight to the end together as none of us want to be dominated by a China/Russia dictatorship. To take over or occupy North America has some logistical issues I do not see either Russia or China able to move in and maintain a presence on North American soil.
Originally posted by exile1981
5) Canada and the rest of Nato get dragged into it because of the US involvement.
More recently, Anatoliy Golitsyn, a Soviet defector of high status, has suggested that the Soviet Union is capable of disinformation on such a massive scale that even the Borkenau system is no longer viable.2 In a book first published in 1984, and of necessity written before then, Golitsyn argues that the leadership of the whole Communist bloc came to an agreement in 1958 in which it established a long range program, a master plan, which it would realize through a large scale deception of the West, a monumental scam.
Golitsyn maintains that the goals of the master plan were to provide a more profound political stabilization of individual communist regimes by developing wider mass support, the rectification of economic weakness of the bloc by increased international trade and the acquisition of credits and high technology from the West, the creation of a substructure for an eventual world federation of communist states, political isolation of the US from its allies, developing influence among socialists in Western Europe and Japan, the dissolution of NATO, and an alignment between the Soviet Union and a neutral, preferably socialist, Western Europe; concerted action with nationalist leaders in the Third World to eliminate Western influence as a preliminary to absorbing them in a communist federation, shifting the balance of power in favor of the Communist world, and the ideological disarmament of the West to create favorable conditions for convergence of East and West on communist terms.
Golitsyn predicts that the Soviet regime will be stabilized by the creation of spurious, controlled opposition movements and the use of those movements to neutralize genuine internal and external opposition, and that it will encourage communist parties to establish united fronts with socialist parties throughout the world thus increasing Soviet influence in parliaments and trade unions.4
Some of the techniques, according to Golitsyn, will be dissension within the bloc, unity of action behind disunity of words, a show of weakness before meeting with Western leaders or before major initiatives or negotiations, and the heavy use of disinformation.5 This disinformation will emanate from official Communist sources, unofficial Communist sources, and "secret" communist sources, much of it retrospective. It is to be delivered through Western newspapermen, scholars, officials, and the Soviet intelligentsia.
The final phase of the master plan, according to Golitsyn, is a disinformation and deception campaign of such magnitude that it would be "beyond the imagination of Marx, or the practical reach of Lenin, and unthinkable to Stalin. Among such previously unthinkable stratagems are the introduction of false liberalization in Eastern Europe and, probably, the Soviet Union, and the exhibition of spurious independence on the part of the regimes in Romania, Czechoslovakia, and Poland."
Golitsyn predicted the "breakup" of the communist bloc in Eastern Europe as a technique to be used by the Soviet government to entice Europe to move more towards socialism and to align itself eventually with the USSR against the United States. The Third World would then join communist Russia and socialist Western Europe against the US and its allies. Then there would be a joint drive by the Soviet bloc and a socialist Europe to push the US out of Europe and into nuclear disarmament. A powerful world federation of communist states would emerge and the US would be induced to "converge" on communist terms.
Originally posted by Gyrochiral
So...let's go get us some commies!!! How archaic and ignorant do they think we are.
Being generationally removed from the cold war, perhaps it is the assumption that the ills and fears are just an accepted path. Duck and cover indeed.
I honestly don't see Russia coming to Iran's aid, at least at first. Iran has no value to Russia with Russia now a premier oil and gas exporter. Iran is only a Russian media darling.
I'm not sure what treaty you speak of. Could you elaborate?
Absolutely, but I think a nuclear option would reamin to a tactical nuke level only .
I think Canada would be dragged in not because of the US, but an invasion. Canada is rich in oil and would be the first place Russia would want to place an embargo to fuel our fleets.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
By mandate of International Treaty, all signing members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) have agreed that any military transgression against any member of the organization will automatically be considered a declaration of war against the entire NATO community. This is why NATO is in Afghanistan, America as a NATO member was attacked and thus all NATO states enter a state of War against our attacker. If Georgia enters the Organization, and Russia or Russians supporters in South Ossetia attack Georgia.. ALL NATO Nations declare war on Russia.
Interesting times we live in .. a little concerning, you know.. since our Economy has been destroyed, a nice major military conflict would raise economic production ... hmm
Originally posted by Bearack
I still think we could fend off a large scale nuclear attack from Russia. Russia on the other hand won't have near the deffensive ability so I think this would remain for the most part conventional.
“Today the situation is much more serious than before August 2008. The then threat endangered only South Ossetia and Abkhazia, but after Russia’s recognition of these states’ independence and the conclusion of agreements envisaging the presence of Russian armed forces on their territories, a possible recurrence of war will not be limited to the Caucasus.
“The new President of the United States did not bring about any crucial changes in relation to Georgia, but having a dominant role in NATO he still insists on Georgia’s soonest joining of the Alliance. If it happens, the world would face a more serious threat than the crises of the Cold War.
“Under the new realities, Georgia’s war against South Ossetia may easily turn into NATO’s war against Russia. This would be a third world war.”
Originally posted by Shamrock87
If this is true. I want to say one thing to all nations of the world.
And since I can't, I'll say it here!
I'm so sick and tired of all this war and rumors of war. Look at us we're in the 21st century and we're still bickering and arguing and fighting with each other as if we belonged in the opening sequence of a Stanley Kubrick film. Why, oh WHY do psychotic people always seem to gain control of a country!? Why in the name of all that is right do we keep killing each other in the name of all that is right!? It drives me crazy to think that this is REALLY the world that I live in! I don't expect utopia, but I expect reason! Why aren't there rational people in charge, why do the masses really elect these people, why do they ALLOW them to run their countries!?
RAWR! I'm so mad that I can't even think straight!
Originally posted by tarifa37
I would also like to add, "WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?"